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Posted by lotus on December 9, 2003, at 0:23:58
I recently got the ultra-pure Tryptophan from the GP source and it says 1,847 mg in 1 1/2 scoops.They don't specify what a scoop is i.e,teaspoon,tablespoon etc.Since Mathhh has used this source or anyone else,what is a good dose,teaspoon or a tablespoon?
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 9, 2003, at 6:46:31
In reply to Mathhh/McPac/Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by lotus on December 9, 2003, at 0:23:58
> I recently got the ultra-pure Tryptophan from the GP source and it says 1,847 mg in 1 1/2 scoops.They don't specify what a scoop is i.e,teaspoon,tablespoon etc.Since Mathhh has used this source or anyone else,what is a good dose,teaspoon or a tablespoon?
There should be a scoop in the container.....if my assumption is correct. It wouldn't make sense to talk in terms of scoops, if there wasn't a scoop supplied.
It would be hard to estimate the mass when using other volumetric measures, because the density of the powder can vary dramatically.
Get a teaspoon, and fish around inside the bottle....the scoop may have settled to the bottom in transit. If there isn't one, the very best thing to do is to dump the whole lot into a measuring cup, figure the volume as closely as possible (in mL, if possible, it makes the calculations easier). Then divide the mass in mg by the volume in mL. That'll give you the mass:volume ratio that you need to measure out the dose properly.
Lar
Posted by jotho on December 9, 2003, at 11:48:23
In reply to Re: Mathhh/McPac/Lar:Tryptophan dosage » lotus, posted by Larry Hoover on December 9, 2003, at 6:46:31
Regarding Tryptophan...
Yes, inside the bottle of 'Ultra-pure' is a small scoop...As per Larry, just fish around a bit with a clean spoon or whatever and you'll find it. Coincidently, I also rec'd. my jar of 'Ultra-pure' this A.M. and have a question for Larry:
Sir, I have read of dosages ranging from 500 to 3,000 mg's. Is it better to start off high and work down, (saturation...or perhaps this is not an item for saturation?) or should one start with the 500mg. and work upwards. Also, following the 'empty stomach and with a carbohydrate, what dose should one limit oneself to? Is the 3grams the definitive top-end?
Thanks in advance for any and all help.
Posted by lotus on December 9, 2003, at 13:27:38
In reply to Re: Mathhh/McPac/Lar:Tryptophan dosage » Larry Hoover, posted by jotho on December 9, 2003, at 11:48:23
Yeah, it's in there.Thanks guys.
Posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 23:12:30
In reply to Re: Mathhh/McPac/Lar:Tryptophan dosage » Larry Hoover, posted by jotho on December 9, 2003, at 11:48:23
This info may be of help to you (it contains info on dosages).
L-Tryptophan, nature’s answer to Prozac
by James South MA to orderThe "serotonin deficiency syndrome" is one of the most common and widespread disorders of human psychobiology in the modern world. Prozac allegedly increases the amount of serotonin in the synaptic gap that slightly separates nerve cells from each other. (For more on the "allegedly" see the excellent book; Talking back to Prozac by psychiatrist, Peter Breggin).
Greater amounts of serotonin in the synaptic gap increases communication between serotonin using neurons, allowing the brain’s multiple and critically important serotonin neural circuits to function more reliably, powerfully and effectively.
Tryptophan and serotonin action
Studies with humans and animals conducted over the past 30 years show that serotonin nerve circuits promote feelings of well being, calm, personal security, relaxation, confidence and concentration.
Serotonin neural circuits also help counterbalance the tendency of brain dopamine and noradrenaline circuits to encourage over-arousal, fear, anger, tension, aggression, violence, obsessive-compulsive actions, over-eating (especially carbohydrates), anxiety and sleep disturbances.
The serotonin deficiency syndrome has been shown to manifest as a broad array of emotional and behavioral problems, ranging from depression, PMS, anxiety, alcoholism, insomnia, violence, aggression, suicide and compulsive gambling.
Yet there is rarely a problem with the structure or "wiring" of the brain’s serotonin circuits. Rather the problem is caused by a chronic deficit of serotonin in the nerves that use it as their neurotransmitter. And this deficit in turn derives from various problems relating to the nutritional biochemistry of tryptophan.
Tryptophan the essential amino acid
Tryptophan is one of the eight essential amino acids found in the human diet. Essential amino acids must be gotten preformed from food or supplements; non-essential aminos (there are 14) can be made from the essential aminos, or other non-essential amino acids.
In any normal diet- animal or vegetarian- protein based tryptophan is the least plentiful of all 22 amino acids. A typical diet provides only 1 to 1.5 grams per day, yet there is much competition in the body for this scarce tryptophan. It is used to make various proteins, and in people with low to moderate intakes of vitamin B3 (niacin/ niacinamide), tryptophan may be used by the liver to make B3 at the expensive ratio of 60mg tryptophan to one-two mg B3.
In people who are even marginally vitamin B6 deficient, tryptophan may be rapidly degraded into mildly toxic metabolites such as hydroxykynurenine, xanthurenic acid and hydroxyanthranilic acid. Thus, the brain typically receives less than 1% of ingested tryptophan.
Yet even getting its meager share of tryptophan (the only normal dietary raw material for serotonin manufacture) proves a difficult task for the brain, due to the blood brain barrier (BBB).
The BBB serves as a protection to prevent toxins (and even excessive levels of nutrients which might temporally overwhelm and dysregulate brain function) from entering the brain.
Serotonin by itself cannot penetrate the BBB, its precursor tryptophan can. Yet the BBB makes it hard even for brain essential nutrients to enter the brain. Nutrients must be ferried through the BBB by transport molecules, like passengers on a bus. Unfortunately for the serotonin using nerves, tryptophan must share its "transport bus" with 5 other amino acids, tyrosine, phenylalanine, valine, leucine and isoleucine.
Thus, tryptophan is typically out-numbered about 8:1 in its competition to secure its transport through the BBB into the brain.
Tryptophan its affects on carbohydrates and obesity
Eating a high protein diet to provide more tryptophan only worsens the problem by even more increasing the intake of the 5 competing aminos. Ironically, the only dietary strategy that increases brain tryptophan supply is to eat a high carbohydrate diet.
When large amounts of carbos are eaten, the body secretes large amounts of the hormone insulin to lower the ensuing high blood sugar. The insulin also clears from the blood most of the 5 amino acids that compete with tryptophan for a ride to the brain. Tryptophan then has the "bus" all to itself, allowing more tryptophan to reach the brain.
This strategy is instinctively known and practiced by many people who eat large amounts of carbos like bread, cakes, pies, ice cream, chips, pizza, candy etc., especially when they are feeling depressed, stressed or anxious.
The increased brain serotonin this produces lowers arousal and anxiety, promoting a (temporary) sense of well being and security. However, this strategy comes at a price, the same insulin which enhances brain serotonin also enhances the conversion of the fats, carbos and aminos cleared from the blood into stored body fat!
Hence the carbo addition/ obesity serotonin connection.
Taking tryptophan as a supplement is the most natural way to defeat the brain’s serotonin production problems. Unlike ingesting a high protein diet, isolated supplemental tryptophan intake will not increase blood levels of its five amino competitors. Since the normal dietary intake is only 1 to 1.5 grams per day, even a modest amount of tryptophan supplementation (500mg to 3000mg) will have a significant effect in boosting blood and brain tryptophan levels.
Under normal conditions, the brain enzyme tryptophan hydroxylase (TH) is only 50% saturated. This means the serotonin production machinery is 50% idle; thus an increase in raw material (tryptophan) will tend to automatically increase brain serotonin production.
TH converts tryptophan to 5-hydroxy-tryptophan (5HTP or Oxitriptan). A vitamin B6 dependant carboxylase enzyme then converts 5HTP to serotonin, and more serotonin more effectively activates the calming, mood elevating, impulse and appetite controlling serotonin neural circuits.
Tryptophan when less is more!
In the case of tryptophan supplements, more is not always better. In the many human clinical studies using tryptophan to treat depression, published since the 1970’s, studies using moderate tryptophan doses (1g to 3g daily) have frequently shown better results than high doses (6 to 9g daily). This is due to a liver enzyme called "tryptophan pyrrolase" (TP). TP is a key enzyme in the normal liver tryptophan breakdown pathways. TP is known to be activated by at least two factors.
The first is the stress hormone cortisol. Cortisol, produced by the adrenal glands, is the "state of siege" stress hormone. It is released in response to unremitting chronic stress, which we can neither fight against, nor flee from. Cortisol is known to be frequently elevated in the very conditions, such as, depression, insomnia and obesity for which tryptophan/ serotonin might be helpful.
Thus, taking tryptophan while under elevated cortisol-stress conditions might supply little extra to the brain, because of cortisol’s activation of TP.
The other factor known to elevate liver TP activity is increased intake of tryptophan! Since the TP using kynurenine pathway is the major tryptophan degradation pathway, significantly elevated tryptophan intake automatically induces higher TP activity. Again, if liver TP activity seriously increases, more supplemental tryptophan will not necessarily translate into increased brain serotonin.
Thus, the lowest tryptophan dose that successfully alleviates serotonin-deficiency symptoms is the most efficacious.
Fortunately, clinical and anecdotal evidence shows that even 500mg to 1500mg of supplemental tryptophan, taken at bedtime on a regular basis, is frequently sufficient to ease serotonin-deficiency problems.
This low dose will usually not seriously elevate tryptophan destroying TP activity.
Niacinamide (vitamin B3) is known to inhibit liver TP; it is also the vitamin that activates the enzyme that converts tryptophan to 5HTP. Thus taking 100mg B3 several times daily with meals will also serve to enhance the effectiveness of low-moderate tryptophan doses.
Taking 25mg to 50mg vitamin B6 once or twice daily with meals will also augment tryptophan-serotonin conversion, since B6 activates the decarboxylase enzyme that converts 5HTP to serotonin.
Tryptophan the anti-depressive
The published research of S.N. Young and H.M. Praag (two of the world’s chief experts on tryptophan-serotonin metabolism and psychobiology), suggest that tryptophan will likely be of most benefit to people suffering from depression of the type that Young refers to as "anxious-agitated." Young notes that increased brain production of serotonin through tryptophan supplementation does not automatically increase serotonin nerve activity.
Young’s research indicates that at low levels of psychobiologic arousal, there will be adequate neuronal serotonin to support the correlative low-level serotonin nerve activity, even when nerve serotonin levels are low.
At higher levels of arousal, however, the more rapid turnover of serotonin in the synaptic gap will require higher levels of serotonin production to adequately maintain the greater activity of serotonin circuits.
Those suffering depression of a more vegetative, passive, quiescent variety Young refers to as the "apathetic inhibited" type.
Given that serotonin neural circuits frequently serve to counterbalance the arousing activating dopamine/ noradrenaline circuits (the neural circuits cocaine and amphetamine and to a lessor extent coffee serve to activate), Young’s observations make perfect sense.
Anxious, agitated depression occurs when a person's dopamine/ noradrenaline activating arousal circuits (Yang) are functioning strongly, without the calming, relaxing, mellowing serotonin circuits (Yin) functioning strongly as a complementary counterbalance.
Tryptophan provides the anxious agitated depressive with that needed "Yin" counterbalance, restoring a sense of well being and behavioral self-control.
Van Praag’s research has shown that for many people suffering depression, combining the amino-acid tyrosine with tryptophan works much better than taking tryptophan alone. These would be Young’s "apathetic inhibited" types, where both the serotonin tranquillity/ well being circuits and the "get up and go" vigorous action dopamine/ noradrenaline circuits are underactive.
Tyrosine is the precursor for both dopamine and noradrenaline. The enzyme that converts tyrosine to its next step on the dopamine- noradrenaline pathway (tyrosine hydroxylase) is normally at least 25% unsaturated (i.e. 25% "idle"), so that providing supplemental tyrosine (100 to 500mg with meals) unregulated brain dopamine/ noradrenaline production and nerve activity.
The increased dopamine/ noradrenaline neural activity then requires greater complementary serotonin neural activity, which is provided by the tryptophan supplementation.
Tryptophan’s general uses
Research has shown that tryptophan/ serotonin is effective for more than depression. Various forms of defective impulse control and obsessive compulsive disorders are also strongly affected by serotonin nerve activity. Suicidal behavior, compulsive gambling, irrationally dangerous thrill seeking behavior and pyromania (compulsive fire starting), have been shown to be correlated with low serotonin neural activity, combined with excessive dopaminergic/ noradrenergic activity.
Chronic alcoholism may also have a serotonin component. Research with animals and humans has shown that alcohol initially increases serotonin nerve activity; yet chronic alcohol use impairs tryptophan entry into the brain. This chronic alcoholism may involve a vicious spiral of a brief alcohol induced increase of serotonin neural activity, with consequent sense of well being, combined with an ever worsening baseline state of serotonin nerve activity due to alcohol's impairment of brain tryptophan transport.
Tryptophan and sleep
In recent years, melatonin has gained the reputation as the natural answer to insomnia. Yet the fact that melatonin is made in the pineal gland from serotonin is frequently overlooked.
Thus supplemental tryptophan may induce one’s pineal gland to naturally increase its melatonin production. Also, important sleep regulating nerve circuits in the brainstem (the raphe nuclei) use serotonin as their neurotransmitter, so it is unreasonable to expect melatonin alone to provide optimal insomnia relief.
Low dose melatonin (0.5mg to 1mg) plus tryptophan (500mg to 1500mg) may prove more effective for many people with serious insomnia.
Tryptophan’s role in dementia
Recent research has shown that the depression that frequently accompanies and even predates the movement disorders of Parkinson's disease is primarily due to the hypofunction of serotonin nerves, so tryptophan may be a useful adjunct to L-Dopa/ deprenyl treatment of Parkinson’s.
In the latter stages of Alzheimer’s disease, heightened irritability and unprovoked aggression frequently accompany the mental decline, and recent research has shown partial destruction of key serotonergic neural circuits to be involved.
Supplemental tryptophan may optimize the activity of remaining serotonergic neurons, lessening the anger and aggression.
Tryptophan and 5-hydroxy-tryptophan
Supplemental 5HTP (oxitriptan), the intermediary between tryptophan and serotonin, is also available as a natural remedy for the serotonin deficiency syndrome, yet tryptophan offers a major advantage over 5HTP for many people.
There are nerves that line the intestinal tract, which use serotonin as their neurotransmitter. These nerves contain the carboxylase enzyme that converts 5HTP to serotonin, but not the hydroxylase enzyme that coverts tryptophan to 5HTP.
Thus, when 5HTP is swallowed, large amounts of 5HTP may be picked up by these intestinal serotonergic neurons and quickly converted to serotonin, leading to hyperactivity of these nerves.
This in turn may lead to nausea, vomiting, cramping, constipation and/ or diarrhea, and indeed, the research published on 5HTP since the 1970’s has consistently shown various forms of intestinal discomfort to be the main side effect of 5HTP use.
Yet, because these intestinal neurons cannot convert tryptophan to 5HTP, tryptophan does not cause intestinal distress.
Tryptophan its synergistic combinations
A practical program to relieve the many forms of serotonin deficiency syndrome will ideally combine moderate amounts of tryptophan (500mg to 1500mg), oxitriptan (5HTP) at 33mg to 100mg and melatonin (0.5mg to 1mg) taken at bedtime.
Melatonin actually promotes increased brain serotonin through its ability to reduce cortisol levels, and reduced cortisol levels will lessen the activity of liver pyrrolase, the enzyme that degrades tryptophan.
GH3/ KH3, Dilantin (phenytoin) and magnesium may also lower cortisol activity.
Standardized extracts of St. John’s Wort (0.3% hypercin) may also synergise with tryptophan to optimize serotonin levels. Research summarized in Hypericum and Depression by H. Bloomfield and colleagues suggests three complementary mechanisms of action, whereby St. John’s Wort may increase serotonin. It seems to be a weak serotonin reuptake inhibitor (and thus a more natural and safer equivalent of Prozac), a weak MAO inhibitor (MAO enzymes break down neuronal serotonin), and a cortisol inhibitor. The standard St. John’s Wort dosage is 300mg three times daily; however, less may be needed when combined with tryptophan.
References
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2. Sandyk R "L-Tryptophan in neuro psychiatric disorders, a review" Int. J. Neuroscience 1992 67:24-144.
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4. Maurizi CP, "The therapeutic potential for tryptophan and melatonin" Med. Hypoth 1990; 31:233-42.
5. Van Praag HM et al "Therapeutic indications for serotonin potentiating compounds, a hypothesis" Biol Psychiat 1987; 22:205-12.
6. Van Praag HM "In search of the action of antidepressants, 5HTP, tyrosine mixtures in depression" Neuropharmacol 1983; 22:433-40.
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Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 6:36:27
In reply to Re: Mathhh/McPac/Lar:Tryptophan dosage » Larry Hoover, posted by jotho on December 9, 2003, at 11:48:23
> Regarding Tryptophan...
> Yes, inside the bottle of 'Ultra-pure' is a small scoop...As per Larry, just fish around a bit with a clean spoon or whatever and you'll find it. Coincidently, I also rec'd. my jar of 'Ultra-pure' this A.M. and have a question for Larry:
> Sir, I have read of dosages ranging from 500 to 3,000 mg's. Is it better to start off high and work down, (saturation...or perhaps this is not an item for saturation?) or should one start with the 500mg. and work upwards. Also, following the 'empty stomach and with a carbohydrate, what dose should one limit oneself to? Is the 3grams the definitive top-end?
> Thanks in advance for any and all help.I would start low and work up, with any supplement, as a general rule (specific treatments for acute symptoms are the only exception).
The 3-gram limit is not necessarily the top end, but I don't think that if you follow the start low and move up process that you'll find any reason to go beyond it.
Let us know how it goes, 'kay?
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 6:40:20
In reply to jotho, Re: Mathhh/McPac/Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 23:12:30
Nice info....could you please add the URL to such posts....so people can save the link, or use it as a starting point for finding more information?
Thanks,
Lar
Posted by tealady on December 10, 2003, at 17:13:25
In reply to Re:Tryptophan dosage » McPac, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 6:40:20
> Nice info....could you please add the URL to such posts....so people can save the link, or use it as a starting point for finding more information?
>
> Thanks,
> Lar
http://www.smartnutrition.info/JamesSouth-tryptophan.htm
NADH/NAD link
http://smart-nutrition.net/JamesSouth-NADH.htmJan
Posted by McPac on December 10, 2003, at 17:35:49
In reply to Re:Tryptophan dosage » McPac, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 6:40:20
Lar,
"could you please add the URL to such posts"
Many (most) of my posts like that don't have URL's. What I often do is that whenever I see some info on the net that I want to save...or whenever someone else posts info that I want to save..I just copy and paste the info that I want and e-mail it to myself...then I save it in my stored e-mail....but I guess that 'erases' the URL address (?) I retrieved that tryptophan info from my stored e-mail file. (Hope that makes sense).
Posted by TeeJay on December 10, 2003, at 17:49:40
In reply to Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by McPac on December 10, 2003, at 17:35:49
I do exactly the same McPac! Of course I did use my favourites for that purpose until it got so full I couldnt find anything in it.
TJ
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2003, at 10:01:06
In reply to Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage » McPac, posted by TeeJay on December 10, 2003, at 17:49:40
> I do exactly the same McPac! Of course I did use my favourites for that purpose until it got so full I couldnt find anything in it.
>
> TJFavourites are so easy to organize....
I have a folder-tree that is sometimes five or six "deep"....e.g. main folder nutrition....secondary folder...supps....tertiary folder....minerals.....quaternary folder....zinc....pentarnary (?) folder....interactions
It does get messy if you just save as favourites....moreover, you may want to rename the URL while saving it....for clarity later on.
When you select Favourites...Add....you can edit the name, then add it to whatever folder you want it in....but you need to have the folder in existence ahead of time...so make a bunch of folders, then move stuff around to get caught up. I think URLs in favourites is best, but you do run the risk of a link going bad.
Lar
Posted by TeeJay on December 12, 2003, at 20:48:44
In reply to Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage » TeeJay, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2003, at 10:01:06
>> Favourites are so easy to organize....
How does that saying go? Why do today what you can put off till tomorrow? :-)
Besides, I'm busy today.I have a day fully booked with feeling depressed, interspersed with a dash of negative ruminating and a fair bit of feeling sorry for myself too! LOL
Joking aside, I do have a folder for all my alternative med stuff/vit/mineral etc but its rather poorly named "odds nsods" (its a looong story. I really should (and will) get around to sortiung it out as there is some pretty good stuff in there if only I could find it.
I do enjoy reading your heartfelt exchanges with both kelly and Ron.....as Ron said tonight, you come across so articulte and switched on that its often easy to forget you are here for support as well as to give support. I cant do much but I'll raise a glass of Kronenburg 1664 to you sir and say, "hic....heres to you larry!".
Take care
TJ
Posted by matthhhh on December 13, 2003, at 16:43:55
In reply to Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage » Larry Hoover, posted by TeeJay on December 12, 2003, at 20:48:44
Hey everyone, well Ive came off the wellbutrin and am still taking the tryptophan. I think the wellbutrin did intensify the effect of the tryptophan but I also felt more shaky.
Im only taking 1 gram of tryptophan per day 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night. It does help some with my social anxiety and ocd, but I still feel i need something else. I still feel very physicall tense and a little shaky.
Ive tried taking 2 mg of trypophan/ day but notice that i felt dizzy and had a headache. I also tried 100mg rhodiola with the tryptophan yesturday and noticed an increase in my concentration and mood.
Im still waiting for the makakea kava to come in from hawaii- which is supposed to be like day and night, compared to the regular kava. Anyways, let me know what you think. later!
Posted by McPac on December 15, 2003, at 22:35:54
In reply to Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by matthhhh on December 13, 2003, at 16:43:55
Do you think the tryptophan is LOSING its effectiveness for you over time?
Thanks!
Posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 8:33:02
In reply to Matt, Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by McPac on December 15, 2003, at 22:35:54
Hey Macapac, I dont think so, i think its because im no longer taking the wellbutrin which i think intensified the effect. But i could not stand the side effects of agitation, dizziness and shakiness. are u taking tryptophan now?
Posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 11:26:55
In reply to Re: Matt, Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 8:33:02
just wondering if anyone here has tried picamilon? thanks
Posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 13:11:54
In reply to Re: Lar:Tryptophan dosage » jotho, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 6:36:27
Larry...others: regarding tryptophan...
Well, there is no doubt that there is an effect after taking my moderate (5oomg, or so) dosage. Upon waking, I generally have a cup of coffee or two, and then put about 500mg into some OJ and swig it down. I feel perked up from the caffein and, inside of about 45 minutes, my mood just feels enhanced to a great degree. I take a good multi three times a day and assume my B's are up to snuff for conversion purposes. I had tried a larger amount (about triple my present dose) and found it sedating and actually uncomfortable. I did not repeat that dosage so I don't know how reliable my response was. I repeat the 500mg. a second time later in the day well after eating lunch (or anything that might contain other amino's). My sleep seems to be better and my mood is just...changed for the better. I will let y'all know how things progress over time. Thanks,Lar, for the trypto. source and your informative posts. Maybe I finally got lucky!
jotho
Posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 13:20:58
In reply to Re: Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 13:11:54
hey jotho, so are you taking the tryptophan from the gp site or prescription? thanks
Posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 13:44:02
In reply to Re: Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 13:20:58
> hey jotho, so are you taking the tryptophan from the gp site or prescription? thanks
I've been using the 'Ultra-pure' from the GP site. The price is right and i've got enough here to last for quite a good long while.
Posted by vanderkc on December 16, 2003, at 15:08:23
In reply to Re: Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 13:44:02
Just a question here, but why aren't you just using the 5-htp? I started using the 5-htp and the potency works much more directly than the tryptophan for me.
Posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 15:30:56
In reply to Re: Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by vanderkc on December 16, 2003, at 15:08:23
> Just a question here, but why aren't you just using the 5-htp? I started using the 5-htp and the potency works much more directly than the tryptophan for me.
Quite simply, I had tried 5-HTP on more than one occassion, and found it unhelpful to any degree. After revisiting this board after a long absence, I read a thread that spoke of tryptophan (and, I believe, of its superiority, in some cases, to 5-HTP). I decided to try it and so far am happy with its results.
If you do some research on the earlier posts, or perhaps just ask Larry Hoover, you might find an answer to your question that delves more into the science of it rather than just the personal experience I had.
Glad the 5-HTP is working for you either way.
Posted by Simian on December 16, 2003, at 15:42:22
In reply to Re: Lar:Tryptophan dosage, posted by vanderkc on December 16, 2003, at 15:08:23
You can end up with an overload of serotonin in your blood with 5-HTP and thats bad for the heart and arteries. Its especially likely if you take vitamin B6 too.
Posted by McPac on December 16, 2003, at 16:59:49
In reply to Re: Matt, Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 8:33:02
"are u taking tryptophan now?"
Matt, look below for a thread about trypto where I tell my story...later!
Posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 18:46:44
In reply to Re: Matt, Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 11:26:55
> just wondering if anyone here has tried picamilon? thanks
Hey Matt...
Just curious if you've already tried a quality theanine product. The one I purchased months ago from VRP is certainly effective, and even my wife, who is frequently stressed from work, swears by the stuff. I use it 4-5 times a week during the day. It definitely has a calming effect for me.
Posted by matthhhh on December 16, 2003, at 21:12:18
In reply to Re: Matt, Re: Lar, Re:Tryptophan dosage, posted by jotho on December 16, 2003, at 18:46:44
Hey Jotho, I have not tried theanine but have heard that it gives a total "mind centering" calming effect for some people- but its pretty expensive. I was thinking about getting somefrom a local nutrition store but dont know if it is good quality. Do u have any recommendations? thanks
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