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Posted by mystified on February 10, 2010, at 17:48:58
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2010, at 12:48:00
I stand by what my subject line says, but to be clearer I believe the med board needs to be about PSYCH meds.
There are places here for other discussions. For the numerous time - if having various forums are NOT the way Dr. Bob wants it to continue he should CHANGE IT! I see no good defense for posters continuing to post any and everything on that board presently. Recent redirects lead me to believe Dr. Bob continues to want the forum topics categorized. I wish he would weigh in on this.
Posted by mystified on February 10, 2010, at 17:54:42
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 10, 2010, at 13:04:26
> ///so my friend this is whats left.
Yep, I know that's the case, manic. I wish it wasn't :(
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2010, at 21:24:13
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » manic666, posted by mystified on February 10, 2010, at 17:54:42
Like pulling teeth to get people to even visit the forum manic I know what you mean. Even facebook lets you delete a post. And some of the other forums combine medical with meds as they are intertwined. If Bob doesn't change bye bye babble in my opinion. Phillipa
Posted by Justherself54 on February 10, 2010, at 23:55:43
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by mystified on February 10, 2010, at 17:48:58
Well, what about the neurotransmitters board? It was created for the more technical posts, but the majority of them are on the med board. I can't follow them, nor do I have the ability at this stage of the game to retain most of it. So why aren't posters using the neuro board? I see Dr. Bob redirecting posts to the health board lately, but the really technical posts remain.
What even is the guideline for posts that should be on the neuro board?
Perhaps we need fewer boards?
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 0:39:46
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Justherself54 on February 10, 2010, at 23:55:43
Before I came there was one board and it seemed to flow. I can't follow the techinical ones either. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
In reply to Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by mystified on February 9, 2010, at 13:10:44
lets put this as it is,////if you a newbie an you are on your first med you will certainly look to meds first./// this may be there question???????i am vomiting an feel ill with this med. i have flu like symtoms shall i stop taking them,/// the normal answer would be, you are haveing start up probs its natural an will stop when your body get use to the med. if stiil feeling the same after a couple of weeks ,see your doc,///// But so often they are told it may be some disease,///an the get the next bus out,///they want reasurance not sh*tt*ng themself or worse.there doc is there to answer those questions, some people who have a disease seem to want every one else to have it,///a bit like smokeing ,if they stop every one else must.//there are no experts on meds now, so just reasure the newbies its the first experience of mental illness ,an there terrifide./// philippa you should have a google forum . you carnt just bang any old google crap you dont understand on the med forum just to fill space.///yes lets talk about basic help an meds on meds for the people.//social is just that bang what you like on///brainy forum for the people who can spell, not me./////an one more, horror forum for those who love to be triggered, are masochists an love to sh*t people up with terror disease
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 9:48:25
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
Ouch, Manic.
I don't think Phillipa tries to fill space on Meds. Why should she?
I think I'd feel hurt if I were Phillipa.
There aren't so many of us on Babble anymore. Oughtn't we try to be go the extra mile for those of us who are left? Esprit de corps and all that?
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 9:49:38
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Justherself54, posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 0:39:46
Did you come before me, Phillipa? There were already at least three boards when I came, and Dr. Bob was earnestly redirecting threads to Social.
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 9:58:14
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2010, at 21:24:13
I don't see deleting in a particularly positive light, Phillipa. I just was recently participating in a discussion someplace that allowed deleting and editing of posts. It led to all the things I was worried about happening here. People responding to posts that were no longer there, thus confusing all. And a troll (not on babble mind you) actually did post truly offensive things then edited them after everyone had gotten all stirred up. The results were not pretty, even though people had prudently quoted the original post in their replies.
Newer and shinier is not always better. The important thing is the ideas exchanged, not the flashy icons. If Dr. Bob's format focuses people on the content of their posts, Babble might be all the better for that.
I'm glad you're encouraging people to post at Babble, but perhaps you need not go as far as pulling teeth. :) People who come here willingly are more likely to enjoy it.
(It seems ironic to me that people left Babble over the Facebook/Twitter debacle, and now extol the virtues of Facebook and Twitter over Babble.)
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:35:23
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
> philippa you should have a google forum . you carnt just bang any old google crap you dont understand on the med forum just to fill space.
Would anyone else like to try to show manic how he might interpret things more charitably, encourage him to apologize, or suggest he not address those he can't get along with? You may have the power to help him avoid being blocked again.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:36:45
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Justherself54 on February 10, 2010, at 23:55:43
> Recent redirects lead me to believe Dr. Bob continues to want the forum topics categorized. I wish he would weigh in on this.
>
> mystifiedI continue to want the forum topics categorized. :-)
> Well, what about the neurotransmitters board? It was created for the more technical posts, but the majority of them are on the med board. I can't follow them, nor do I have the ability at this stage of the game to retain most of it. So why aren't posters using the neuro board? I see Dr. Bob redirecting posts to the health board lately, but the really technical posts remain.
>
> What even is the guideline for posts that should be on the neuro board?
>
> Justherself54The guideline is:
> > It focuses on more advanced medication-related issues like neurotransmitters (but not only issues involving neurotransmitters).
It's a judgment call. Would you be willing to notify us of ones you consider difficult to follow?
Scott's suggested that the name be changed from Neurotransmitters to Neuroscience and that the guideline be changed, too, I don't know if that would be better or not.
Bob
Posted by Justherself54 on February 11, 2010, at 11:11:35
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » manic666, posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 9:48:25
I know Phillipa posts stuff that she googles. I've seen her post links regarding fibromyalgia. Does it bother me? No, as she is aware I suffer from it and so do some other babblers and I read the links. For me, when she does this, I know she's thinking about me and the others who suffer it. Any chronic pain condition will feed a depression, so I guess there would be some argument as to whether it belongs on the med board or health. There are so many gray areas. This site isn't perfect, but it has some really caring people on it. The same goes for Bleuberry. There's no harm or malice intended with either of their posts. If you see a post by them and know it won't be to your liking, them simply don't open it.
I still have trouble accepting what this illness has taken from me..but I am also grateful for what it has given me. I think newbies will look and stay regardless of what's on the current med board, if they see all posters treating each other with respect, kindness and acceptance, as we sure don't find enough of that in the "real world".
Personally, I think why newbies don't stick around is the meds board has a lot of posters with treatment resistant depression who have been dealing with this for years and hence the very technical stuff. I personally find the tec posts way over my head and don't post on them for fear of looking foolish. Sad but true. So any posts that has R2D2 and C3PO in it, I just pop out and wander elsewhere as I can't add anything, or I'm afraid to ask, as I feel it's just way out of my league.
Perhaps we need to change neurotransmitters to Treatment Resistant. The more seasoned and med savvy posters could pop in to the med board to lend support and their med wisdom. Just a thought..
I have to agree with Dinah. We should be going the extra mile. We are a dwindling family. In any family, there are those relatives we don't get on well with, or annoy the crap out of us. But we bear with them and try not to let them get under our skin. Even with my most annoying family members I refrain from pointing out their flaws..as it would be unkind and I'm sure they are well aware of them, as they are with mine. I have been know to shoot from the hip out of annoyance, but I'm really trying to work on it. I try to use the "in real life" scenario. Whould I really say that to a person whom I know is ill, and who was sitting directly across from me, sharing a coffee? That little scenario has stopped a lot of my shooting from the hip behaviour.
If and when babble gets back on its feet, I think the other boards will get a little more active and everybody may be able stay in the board where they have found their comfort zone.
To be clear, this post isn't directed any any post or poster..it's simply my viewpoint.
Posted by Justherself54 on February 11, 2010, at 11:24:44
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:36:45
The guideline is:
> > It focuses on more advanced medication-related issues like neurotransmitters (but not only issues involving neurotransmitters).
>>It's a judgment call. Would you be willing to notify us of ones you consider difficult to follow?
Sure. By notifying, do you mean by link on this thread or the regular way.
Posted by Justherself54 on February 11, 2010, at 11:31:55
In reply to Re: being blocked again, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:35:23
I don't want to see Manic blocked again. It may be his nature to "shoot from the hip". It's a hard habit to break..this I know from experience! I've already posted on this thread about what has helped me..the "would I say this directly to the person, across a table from me, knowing I'm ill and they are ill. It's helped me a lot. I think Manic really does have a heart of gold..
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 11:50:22
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Justherself54 on February 11, 2010, at 11:11:35
> I have to agree with Dinah. We should be going the extra mile. We are a dwindling family. In any family, there are those relatives we don't get on well with, or annoy the crap out of us. But we bear with them and try not to let them get under our skin. Even with my most annoying family members I refrain from pointing out their flaws..as it would be unkind and I'm sure they are well aware of them, as they are with mine. I have been know to shoot from the hip out of annoyance, but I'm really trying to work on it. I try to use the "in real life" scenario. Whould I really say that to a person whom I know is ill, and who was sitting directly across from me, sharing a coffee? That little scenario has stopped a lot of my shooting from the hip behaviour.
Beautifully said, JHS. Just what I was trying to say myself, only you managed to catch the spirit much better.
I like that way of thinking about it, too. It's a good question to ask on the anonymous internet.
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 12:15:05
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 9:49:38
Hi Dinah no don't think came first and I'm sure you are correct about three boards being present in the beginning. It really makes a lot of sense to me. I am combining responses here. I post newsletter information from my nursing newsletter that comes on my computer and the articles overlap. As for instance taking into account many illnesses the newsletters point out that a med may be good for a mental illness and then from the mental illness it helps is approved for lets say fibromyalgia that seems to have a lot of causes from thyroid to lymes, to Epstein Barr, to more complex autoimmune diseases. So how can you separate them? Also lots of meds are being approved for physical conditions and then used for mental disorders. There is a cross over from health to psych. Untreated depression leads or can lead to heart disease, stress to many illnessnes or recurrence or flairs of chronic illnesses. Very not gray but I guess it's kind of All intertwined one may effect the other. And meds for psychiatric illness may treat another. Manic you are fine in my book too. I know you like to help others. I'm really glad the communication seems to be opening up again. I do agree with Justherself that technical stuff is above my head too. I had originally thought neurotransmitters would teach us less technical brains how they work and some have taught me a lot and directed their explanations to me directly and thanks to them seriously. Love Phillipa. seriously I want to see babble become the wonderful site it was. Support for others is a wonderful thing.
Posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 13:05:13
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
me an phillipa always talk like that to each other. we dont fall out over it ./// i dont know any other way to express myself . i have 2 buttons fired up/ an love total love//it may be weired an look vindictive but its not. i carnt help it its passion///i can help the newbies an connect with them they post to me.///we all no what its like when depression hits , i carnt remember the first tme. but these people are on there first experience ,its scary enough ,///and they are reaching out ,an take what is said as gospel.thats why i get fired up.i dont wont them hurt .////The qoute i made obout editing posts .///i dont mean for as long as you like.they leave your post just long enough for you to alter or change your mind,about 10 minutes // i fell victim of the way you discribe . /this site let them edit there post indefinetly an a woman let of a torrent of abuse at me ./// i mean f***ing an swearing,i answered not swearing but all guns. she deleted her post before the mods saw mine an i got the ban.//A newbie forum would be cool , you no get them settled an when the time comes let them ask the questions when they feel safe an not overwelmed
Posted by janejane on February 11, 2010, at 13:12:01
In reply to Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by mystified on February 9, 2010, at 13:10:44
I'd prefer to have just one big board. There's really not enough traffic on any of the non-med boards to justify having them, in my opinion. Most times I click over to see if there's anything new on other boards, and there's nothing there for days. I don't bother posting to most of them anymore either, because I figure they won't be read. And there are some boards I don't even bother checking at all, even though once in a while there might be something interesting. For example, I only came to this board today because Phillipa told me there was activity. Otherwise I probably wouldn't think of coming here. I'm sure there are others who don't check the admin board who would probably like to add to this discussion, but they don't even know it's happening.
Also, like Phillipa says, there's a lot of overlap so some threads could fit into more than one area.
I think it's usually easy to tell by a topic title whether a thread is something I'd be interested in reading and I don't need them to be separated out in subcategories to figure that out. If there were more traffic overall, it'd be a different story, but since there's not a lot, I like the idea of a catchall psychobabble board, one big gathering place.
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 13:25:30
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 13:05:13
Hi Manic yes we do have our squabbles but usually we do it via e-mail. We like each other and sometimes just fight verbally like normal people in real life. so we're fine with each other. We understand each other right manic? Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 13:27:17
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by janejane on February 11, 2010, at 13:12:01
Jane so well put that's exactly what I'm trying to say being too wordy. Perfect!!!!! Love Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 13:31:33
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 13:05:13
You should give yourself more credit, Manic. I've seen you express yourself in other ways.
Expressing yourself "fired up" is going to end in PBC's and blocks. Maybe it would be better to step away from the computer when you're feeling that way? So that Dr. Bob doesn't force the stepping away from Babble?
In the end, it comes down to pragmatics. If you wish to be able to express yourself any way you like even if it costs you a block (and even if other people could feel hurt by it), that's a valid decision. If you'd rather express yourself in a way that avoids a block (and possibly frustrates you or makes you feel like you're not being yourself), that's a valid decision too.
I totally agree with you about editing/deleting. A very bad idea unless safeguards are in place.
Posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 14:30:30
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » manic666, posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 13:31:33
phillipa sure its ok, we no the score by now.im in the middle of a med change to citalopram. bit more up front than normal,// if thats possible// .im not useing that as an excuse, were ok.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 19:17:33
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by janejane on February 11, 2010, at 13:12:01
> > Would you be willing to notify us of ones you consider difficult to follow?
>
> Sure. By notifying, do you mean by link on this thread or the regular way.
>
> Justherself54The regular way, using the button. Thanks!
> I'd prefer to have just one big board. There's really not enough traffic on any of the non-med boards to justify having them, in my opinion.
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> janejaneI'll take a look at the traffic, maybe consolidating further would make sense. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 19:54:24
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 19:17:33
Dr Bob please read a lot of posts carefully and see that in quite a few cases there is a definite link between a physical illness and it leads to depression. Pain, thyroid proven now to be very common in depression and anxiety if hyper. I find it hard to send a person to health if fibromyalgia is what caused their depression, thyroid, or autoimmune diseases, and the huge link that theraphy is so helpful in acceptance of problems physical and mental. Love Phillipa
Posted by mystified on February 11, 2010, at 22:37:36
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:36:45
> > Recent redirects lead me to believe Dr. Bob continues to want the forum topics categorized. I wish he would weigh in on this.
> >
> > mystified
>
> I continue to want the forum topics categorized. :-)I am glad to hear that. I have a sneaking feeling that the only way that's going to work is if the med forum is closely monitored. Some are not going change their posting habits and feel everything belongs there.
I wish ppl would realize this is not about silencing any discussions, it's about being clear in the focus of the med board. I believe it should be about meds as that is, more than likely, what anyone is going to believe it's about as THAT IS its name. I think it should focus on psych meds.
My toe fungus might be related to my mental health but discussion of that ===== I FEEL ===== does not belong on the med board. However, there is an available board here for that very discussion :)
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