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Posted by ClearSkies on August 15, 2007, at 11:35:06
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal » planetzero, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 11:21:50
> Well if the therapist needs a signed release form for Bob how did this worry even occurr as that would mean if I had but didn't disclose info that it couldnt be given out to others hence how could the other parties job, life etc be impacted?
Sorry to jump, in, but thought I might help to clarify:
By NOT having a signed consent (also known as a "release"), you are disclosing information without having the other person's permission - and this is what is unethical.You would not have been able to get a signed consent from Dr Bob, since he is not maintaining the site for research purposes. By disclosing information about other people without their consent, written, spoken or otherwise; a breach of trust is implied. Also, a trust formed by friendship on the internet has been broken. This, to my understanding, is the crux of the problem. That
1) you did not ask for permission to pass on information about another poster to your therapist, and
2) that you posted about divulging that information here on the boards.I hope that this is clear and (gulp!) also that I am correct.
ClearSkies
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 11:49:41
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal » Phillipa, posted by ClearSkies on August 15, 2007, at 11:35:06
Clear Skies but I didn't discuss anyone with my therapist can't afford this and why? And I thought babble was for research??? I just get more confused taking a break out for the day. Love Phillipa
Posted by planetzero on August 15, 2007, at 11:56:05
In reply to Re: What can I do?, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 0:12:53
> Ps I don't have a therapist. Phillipa never did
OK - one example -
here you say you don't have a therapist - but then again, you say you do -
which is it - yes or no?
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 15, 2007, at 12:07:07
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 10:14:39
Phillipa,
If you are confused, I recommend you look in the archives of the thread in which you posted. Read exactly what you posted, and then read everything that you've posted since then.
That's what you always suggest that I should do- look something up in the archives. Well, if you can't remember something, why not go back to your original words?
I know it's important to you that people trust you, but until these contradictions are resolved, it's hard to move forward.
-Ll
Posted by Glydin on August 15, 2007, at 14:12:00
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal » Phillipa, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 15, 2007, at 12:07:07
While the lastest dustup certainly brings up some uneasy feelings for me, I am finding myself feeling upset over a repeated guideline crossing of "knowingly posting false information".
If one posts polar opposite information, is it not rational to think AT LEAST ONE has to be false?... And knowingly posted as being false? This is turning into a question of accountiblity and consequences for me... and a question, yet again, of Adm. actions to the governing of the guidelines and why are some posters not held accountable while others are...
Posted by Honore on August 15, 2007, at 14:53:28
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 10:14:39
> No I did not disclose any info. At the time I forgot gg wasn't acting as a deputy anymore and thought I must do what she asked. Hence the post. Again I'm sorry for any fear you may have and don't know what else I can do. Any suggestions? Phillipa
But Gg didn't tell you what to say, and I would hope you wouldn't say anything untrue in responding to a request by a deputy (or someone you thought to be a deputy) to answer a pbc.
Honore
Posted by Dinah on August 15, 2007, at 15:16:45
In reply to A different take, posted by Glydin on August 15, 2007, at 14:12:00
To my knowledge, statements that contradict one another have not been made *since* the PBC for posting false statements. Dr. Bob did not specify which statement was false.
In other words, if I said I was married, then said I wasn't married, then got a pbc for posting something I knew was untrue because I can't be both married and unmarried, and afterwards posted only that I wasn't married, there is no way for Admin to know if that statement is true or untrue. Yes, it contradicts an earlier statement, but one of the two that was made *before* the PBC.
Any information about truth or untruth of statements after that PBC should be sent using the Notify the Administrators function, and not posted on board, as per new site guidelines.
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 15, 2007, at 15:23:49
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal, posted by mike lynch on August 15, 2007, at 1:03:03
If you believe a post is not in compliance with civility guidelines, please use the Notify the Administrators function as per new board guidelines, since bringing it up on board may lead other posters to feel accused or put down.
Dr. Bob has advised that this function has now been around long enough that not using it and instead posting on the board will be considered a violation of the civility guidelines.
Before posting on this topic, or any similar topics, it might be wise to read the FAQ.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
*If you believe a post is uncivil, please use the Notify the Administrators Function. Do not post your belief on board.*
Also, Dr. Bob requires that all posts be civil according to site guidelines. So please do not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Glydin on August 15, 2007, at 15:41:03
In reply to Re: A different take » Glydin, posted by Dinah on August 15, 2007, at 15:16:45
> To my knowledge, statements that contradict one another have not been made *since* the PBC for posting false statements. Dr. Bob did not specify which statement was false.
>~~~ In my preception, it has.
> Any information about truth or untruth of statements after that PBC should be sent using the Notify the Administrators function, and not posted on board, as per new site guidelines.~~~ Done previously before I posted anything on the board. I also posted here due to a general Adm. concern I had.
Posted by confuzyq on August 15, 2007, at 18:47:44
In reply to Re: Accomplished the Goal » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 10:14:39
> No I did not disclose any info.
> Again I'm sorry for any fear you may have and don't know what else I can do. Any suggestions? Phillipa
It could be as simple as a straightforward answer to this:Original quote: "[xx] I forgot to tell you my therapist does remember going to school with you although you were a year apart should make you feel good."
How is it that you were able to get the above therapist/healthcare provider to recognize who you meant without saying her name (or some identifying version of it, nickname, etc.)?
I think that could clear it all up.
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 19:20:23
In reply to Re: Suggestion » Phillipa, posted by confuzyq on August 15, 2007, at 18:47:44
Simple first session Oh I met someone named xxxxxxx on the internet that said she went to school with you the therapist's answer that's nice . Do you know who . I said no only by the name of xxxxxx. Old posting name to be inserted here first name only a quite common one like suzie. Is that clearer I hope so. Phillipa For me to say the old posting name would be discloser of info from this site.
Posted by confuzyq on August 15, 2007, at 19:56:21
In reply to Re: Suggestion » confuzyq, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 19:20:23
> Simple first session Oh I met someone named xxxxxxx on the internet that said she went to school with you the therapist's answer that's nice . Do you know who . I said no only by the name of xxxxxx. Old posting name to be inserted here first name only a quite common one like suzie. Is that clearer I hope so. Phillipa For me to say the old posting name would be discloser of info from this site.
Ok do I understand correctly:
You mentioned a posting name only but didn't expect it to be something that the therapist would somehow connect to the actual person. But it was?
Posted by Honore on August 15, 2007, at 20:01:03
In reply to Re: Suggestion » confuzyq, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 19:20:23
So you're saying that the babbler in question told you that she went to school with a T that you had never met with before? And you had told her his name, and she mentioned, casually, that she knew him from school?
And then all you said was "I know someone" and then you said the person's posting name, which was a common first name-- which presumbly was her real name, since your T believed that he knew her. And also your old T, whom you were seeing at the time that the babbler used a common first name, is the same T that you're seeing now?
Because I thought you were seeing a new T, with whom you started fairly recently, and the babbler in question hasn't been using a first name that's a common name for at least a year.
Honore
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 21:39:12
In reply to Re: Now, I don't understand » Phillipa, posted by Honore on August 15, 2007, at 20:01:03
New therapist first session but I haven't known the person I speak of for a year. As the person didn't have a strange name. Does that mean someone not me made a mistake? Or that the person isn't telling the facts of the length of the realation or the length of time of using that name. Hummm interesting to say the least. I didn't have a therapist a year ago this one I've seen four times. Phillipa
Posted by OzLand on August 15, 2007, at 21:40:40
In reply to Re: Suggestion » confuzyq, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 19:20:23
Here's the thing. In my opinion, unless you used a first and last name, your therapist would not know who you were referring to especially since you say your therapist said she was one year ahead or behind OzLand in school.
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 21:55:22
In reply to Re: Now, I don't understand » Phillipa, posted by Honore on August 15, 2007, at 20:01:03
She said oh that's nice we're here to talk about you not your husband or anyone else we must stay on track . We only talk about you and no I don't want to talk to your husband in the waiting room. When with a client you must stay focused. Homework to do. See her every three weeks she isn't kind at all just work oriented toward the client and their needs. My poor husband wasn't even allowed to say hello. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:13:22
In reply to Re: Suggestion » Phillipa, posted by OzLand on August 15, 2007, at 21:40:40
I said that not her. Yes I said Ozland went to school with you but was a year behind you. If I'd said that I'd be locked up right now. Night. Phillipa a lot of buying to do tomorrow.
Posted by confuzyq on August 15, 2007, at 22:40:13
In reply to Re: Suggestion » OzLand, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:13:22
> I said that not her. Yes I said Ozland went to school with you but was a year behind you. If I'd said that I'd be locked up right now.
Is the bottom line that:
1. however you referred to this person (by first name, posting name/s, both, or whatever), the therapist did end up knowing who you meant in reality? (Yes or no.)
2. since you apparently did mention posting name (whether former, current or both), did you also mention babble specifically? (Yes or no.)
Maybe these two could help towards clearing up remaining confusion, or at least towards lending perspective.
Posted by RealMe on August 15, 2007, at 22:43:24
In reply to Re: Suggestion » OzLand, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:13:22
> I said that not her. Yes I said Ozland went to school with you but was a year behind you. If I'd said that I'd be locked up right now. Night. Phillipa a lot of buying to do tomorrow.
How would you know I was a year behind her when I don't even know who your therapist is???? Yes; this is me, OzLand.For some reason when I posted, it posted under my old post name, and I think I have it all fixed now. I let Administration know this in another post.
So, what school are you even talking about? I don't even know that for sure. I am guessing Menninger's but don't know for sure. Again, how would you know I was a year behind your therapist in school. You have never told me your therapist's name. I just don't understand your whole thread beginning in Psychology and saying your therapist knows me and then saying you don't have a therapist and never did and then saying you do now. I have no idea your therapist's name, and so how could I say I was a year behind this person. How would you know that????
And, yes you knew and have know my real name and my posting names as they have changed over the past two years. You even emailed (yes emailed not babblemailed) me in July of this year to say you knew it was me as OzLand, in part because of my writing style. With the thread on Psychology after I was upset about you saying your therapist knew me, you emailed me twice and addressed me by my name (at my other email address). We also emailed up until mid April of this year, 2007. I don't have anything to hide. I am feeling very hurt, angry, and you name it as I have also learned what you have said about me in emails to others. Of course Dr. Bob has all that too. So, I really would appreciate it if anyone gets an email or babblemail from you that says something derrogatory about me or anyone else that it would go straight to Dr. Bob. I should think this should hold true for anyone who says malicous things about someone else here.
I am beginning to have a very difficult time as a result of all this. I was starting to feel better and probably should not have looked at your posts as I started to feel very upset all over again once I did look. I apologize to anyone who may be upset by my post. I probably am more upset than anyone at this point.
The RealMe
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:52:43
In reply to Re: Suggestion » Phillipa, posted by RealMe on August 15, 2007, at 22:43:24
So now I have no idea who you are but you did recommmend the therapist from a website I sent to you. I have the e-mail and would be glad to send it to you. As above Denise referred to you as xxxxx and xxxxxx so I I knew you a year ago I don't know who you are. I could also post the e-mail here? Your choice. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:58:55
In reply to Re: Suggestion » RealMe, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:52:43
Google says you were xxxxxxx back last year on the EMSAM thread. Now I'll check the date of the first e-mail or babblemail from xxxxxxx. thanks for the archives. Phillipa
Posted by Gabbi-2 on August 15, 2007, at 23:11:18
In reply to Re: Suggestion » RealMe, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:52:43
Phillipa I don't believe what you're saying. And I mean, 'I don't believe it' in either way that can be taken.
Posted by RealMe on August 15, 2007, at 23:11:25
In reply to Re: Suggestion » RealMe, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:52:43
> So now I have no idea who you are but you did recommmend the therapist from a website I sent to you. I have the e-mail and would be glad to send it to you. As above Denise referred to you as xxxxx and xxxxxx so I I knew you a year ago I don't know who you are. I could also post the e-mail here? Your choice. Phillipa
What is this all about, Phillipa? I just told you in my last post that I was OzLand, and now I see you are telling everyone what name I first used. Perhaps you did send me a website; I have all the emails you ever sent me and I sent you, and I will check. You also emailed me this past Saturday and used my real name. Dr. Bob has those emails as well as the one from July.You did not have my permission to post my old name. If Denise used my old names on posts, I am not sure how she knew that OzLand was previously known under other names. I guess she would have to speak to that. Regarding your therapist, I still to this day do not know who you have been seeing. And, no it is not okay for you to post emails here. You can send it to Dr. Bob if you like. I do not appreciate one bit what you are saying about me. Please stop.
Posted by Deputy Dinah on August 15, 2007, at 23:30:18
In reply to Re: Suggestion, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2007, at 22:58:55
> Google says you were xxxxxxxxx back last year on the EMSAM thread.
Please don't post previous posting names without the permission of the poster involved.
You've been warned before about this issue, so I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on August 16, 2007, at 7:44:22
In reply to Re: Suggestion » Phillipa, posted by RealMe on August 15, 2007, at 22:43:24
RealMe writes:
>
> And, yes you knew and have know my real name and my posting names as they have changed over the past two years. You even emailed (yes emailed not babblemailed) me in July of this year to say you knew it was me as OzLand, in part because of my writing style. With the thread on Psychology after I was upset about you saying your therapist knew me, you emailed me twice and addressed me by my name (at my other email address). We also emailed up until mid April of this year, 2007. I don't have anything to hide. I am feeling very hurt, angry, and you name it as I have also learned what you have said about me in emails to others. Of course Dr. Bob has all that too. So, I really would appreciate it if anyone gets an email or babblemail from you that says something derrogatory about me or anyone else that it would go straight to Dr. Bob. I should think this should hold true for anyone who says malicous things about someone else here.
>If it weren't against policy to divulge the content of babblemails on the boards, I think this whole thing could be laid out into the open very quickly and with great certainty about what Phillipa knew about Ozland's real-life identity, whether Ozland had a former posting name, and whether Phillipa knew the link between the two posting names.
Don't think this is an isolated incident either. This could happen to any of you.
Judging the number of cc'd email addresses in my last email from Phillipa (email, not bmail) She has passed on (inadvertantly?) the names and e-mail addresses of at least fifty babblers to one another.
I didn't ask for your personal information, and I'm willing to bet that you didn't ask for it to be passed on to LlurpsieNoodle. Now you'll have to trust me and the other hundred-something people cc'd on that e-mail that we won't abuse it.
It takes trust though. One person can undermine trust.
If any of you receive babblemails that you believe are abusive, passing along false information about another poster, passing along confidential information about another poster, derogatory remarks about another poster- well it's really your duty to report it. It might be YOU next time. really.
-Ll
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