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Posted by Fallen4MyT on February 1, 2005, at 0:49:24
In reply to Re: I think I understand why people don't like this... » Fallen4MyT, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2005, at 21:15:20
Perfect lol exactly....we are on the same wave lengh again...we will all be fine...and just don;t agree. I think its sweet that you care how we feel but you cannot take our feelings on for your own sake...always friends :) Anyone 18 hours away...well...hehe.....For the record though I do not hate Bob he is IMO not helping and maybe the feelings issue should be best addressed to him is all.
HUGS> > I do not share in the Bob is right mentality and Bob knows best.
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> Oh, I never meant to imply that! I just meant that I believe that Bob is well intentioned.
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> As are we all.
> That makes it harder to be mad at him.
> Not impossible, but harder.
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> >I wish you could somehow find peace in our upsetness we are OK with it..
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> Oh, I'll be ok. I just care about how you guys feel and don't like to see people upset. But I won't lose sleep over it, okay?
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> No hard feelings.
> ?
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 1, 2005, at 2:17:03
In reply to Re: I think I understand why people don't like this... » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on January 31, 2005, at 19:22:28
> Those of us who travel the psych circuit have been shut out from enough rooms, enough private conversations, and have been whispered about too much.
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> Gabbix2I think that's a lot of it.
If people know what it's like to be shut out, that may be the last thing they'd want to do to someone else.
Which is of course being empathic.
But I think it's OK if they think about themselves, too. And want a room to stay cozy, for example, if that's the way they like it.
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> This is a case where I will be like Rosa Parks and stand up for all of those who want a bus seat......
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> Fallen4MyTWhat if there are 100?
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> I really wish Dr. Bob could see Babble as a community, not a restaurant, not an accomodation.
Sorry, can you explain again what the difference would be?
> I might see a group of people who seem funny or warm, or who are carrying on a really fun conversations about mangoes. But when I went to try to join in, I'd be hit with an invisible wall that said "Sorry, these people won't let you in, but you're welcome to join this other group over here." How on earth is that equal? Or inviting? How does it make Babble seem like a nice place?
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> Dinah1. Some people try to join in now and hit an invisible wall. And what recourse do they have?
2. It would be equal opportunity. I might see a group of people sharing a mango, and I might think it would be nice if I could get one, too.
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> Why on earth would I envy people who were involved in something I find so repugnant? ... it's a matter of rudeness and elitism.
Sorry, but please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks.
> it insinuates that there is an unruly mass to get away from.
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> Gabbix2Masses (crowds, mobs, large groups) *do* tend to be unruly. That's the whole thing.
Which is another point, some people might prefer to provide support in a more concentrated way. And I think that would be fine...
Bob
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:41:12
In reply to Re: why people don't like this, posted by Dr. Bob on February 1, 2005, at 2:17:03
> > I really wish Dr. Bob could see Babble as a community, not a restaurant, not an accomodation.
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> Sorry, can you explain again what the difference would be?
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No, I fear I can't. I've explained it in the best words I have, and if you don't understand it, I have no more words to offer you to explain in a way you can hear.But I tell you what. This has happened before. I have tried till my face was blue to explain something so you could understand, with no luck whatsoever. Then someone you respect, Dr. Kali Munro, said the same thing once, and voila! you understood. Perhaps if you ask someone you respect, like Dr. Munro, what the difference is between an accomodation and a community, and the difference between public private "parties" in an accomodation and a community, they'd be able to understand it in a way you can hear.
> > I might see a group of people who seem funny or warm, or who are carrying on a really fun conversations about mangoes. But when I went to try to join in, I'd be hit with an invisible wall that said "Sorry, these people won't let you in, but you're welcome to join this other group over here." How on earth is that equal? Or inviting? How does it make Babble seem like a nice place?
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> > Dinah
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> 1. Some people try to join in now and hit an invisible wall. And what recourse do they have?
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> 2. It would be equal opportunity. I might see a group of people sharing a mango, and I might think it would be nice if I could get one, too.
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I don't understand this *at all* or what on earth it has to do with restrictions. People can only buy a mango if there's a store that will only sell to certain people? Huh?Why would they find a wall now? How would starting their own mango conversation be equivilant to joining in the one that is currently going on? What makes you think that strangers aren't welcome in a mango conversation? One of my fondest Babble memories is from meeting new people through the magic of mangoes.
What does any of that have to do with the problem of being private in public? There are currently the equivilant of small rooms right now. Private emails, Yahoo conferences, phone calls. But they aren't done in public. Can you truly not understand the concept? Did your mother not teach you this? Your school? My son understands this. It doesn't seem like a stretch goal for you. Again, if I can't explain it properly, perhaps you could find someone you respect who can manage to do so. I wouldn't wish to offer my son's teachers, or support staff, or fellow elementary school students to come explain it to you publicly for reasons of my own privacy. But if you think you could respect any one of them, I can give one of his teachers, or counselors, or fellow elementary school students your email address and perhaps they could find better words to explain.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:41:42
In reply to Re: why people don't like this, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:41:12
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:50:39
In reply to Re: I think I understand why people don't like this..., posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2005, at 20:17:27
Ahhh. CBT.
I hate it.
While I can see the value of reframing issues sometimes, I can't see the value of reframing them always. Sometimes issues shouldn't be reframed. A lot of injustice happens when people reframe things that shouldn't be reframed.
And sometimes, when there is no choice, and you might as well accept something or leave, there is *still* more than one way to reframe something. I don't think reframing it in such a way as to violate your core values is a viable option.
And choosing to be hurt seems to me like the old sticks and stones retort. It sounds nice. It makes the CBT'ers tails' wag. But I think it sounds nicer than it sounds true.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:55:35
In reply to Re: I think I understand why people don't like this... » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:50:39
I think my logic about walls with no doors is along the lines that there are already walls with no doors. Emails, Open (which is of course Open to all, but not everyone is there at any given time and it's not archived), Yahoo conferences. They're all things we do when we wish to be private.
They're all very nice ways of being private, because they *are* private.
Restrictions are a not very nice way of being private, because they're not private.
I still just don't understand why Dr. Bob is so wedded to the idea of restrictions. I can come up with lots of nice pleasant reasons for his motives in a lot of aspects to this, but I'm at a loss when it comes to his attachments to restrictions. To exclusion. It's even harder to comprehend when he mixes a wedding to the idea of exclusion to a wedding of making the exlusion area public.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:58:05
In reply to Oops. above of course for Dr. Bob (nm), posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:41:42
That's why I had to step away from the computer for a bit. :)
I think learning to adjust to Dr. Bob is such a reliable exercise in relationships that CBT therapists ought to assign it as part of therapy. ;)
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 7:39:48
In reply to Re: why people don't like this, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:41:12
When I re-read that post, I don't think my smile came through clearly enough. An exasperated smile, a frustrated smile, perhaps a hurt smile, but a smile nevertheless.
It sounded more combative than I feel. I feel more resigned, exasperated, frustrated, and hurt. There isn't much combat left in me.
As my therapist said the other day (restated in some of my favorite words for this type of situation), you have many fine and useful qualities, Dr. Bob.
Posted by broken on February 1, 2005, at 8:13:51
In reply to Re: why people don't like this, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:41:12
As a newb here, I full understand Dr. Bob's allusion to the invisible walls. With the exception of a certain number of people, this "community" is difficult to become a part of.
I don't personally feel that trading in the invisible walls for visible ones solves that problem at all. I also dont see any "recourse" available in having the community divided up into smaller cliques.
I was never a "cool kid" in school. I live in the south, and while my classmates were enjoying the "country music revolution" I was listening to Iron Maiden. They wore their cowboy hats, big belt buckles, I wore my hair long and a leather jacket. Did that scar me somehow? No, it gave me my sense of individuality. Did it contribute to a social anxiety? Probably so.
I didnt have to be a "cool kid" in the "in crowd" 18 years ago, and I don't have to be a cool adult in the "best private room" now. However, I fail to see how this benefits alot of the people both new and old here now from a mental health point of view.
Regards
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 8:28:42
In reply to Re: why people don't like this » Dinah, posted by broken on February 1, 2005, at 8:13:51
No one understands better than I do the difficulties in fitting in. I do have social anxiety. I have been on the outside my entire life. My husband brings my son to birthday parties because trying to socialize is such an ordeal for me.
I spent some time on the board with very little interaction at all. Mair was a dear and welcomed me - and there were a few others, but for the most part I had trouble with it. My posts seemed to end a thread. For that matter, I still have trouble joining in the wonderful lighthearted threads because my mind is just too linear.
I just don't see how restrictions could help anything. If you or someone who doesn't feel a part of Babble could explain how restrictions could help anything, I'd be willing to listen. I can't see how locking people out or locking people in, whichever way you want to see it, solves anything at all.
Posted by broken on February 1, 2005, at 8:38:48
In reply to Re: why people don't like this » broken, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 8:28:42
> No one understands better than I do the difficulties in fitting in. I do have social anxiety. I have been on the outside my entire life. My husband brings my son to birthday parties because trying to socialize is such an ordeal for me.
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> I spent some time on the board with very little interaction at all. Mair was a dear and welcomed me - and there were a few others, but for the most part I had trouble with it. My posts seemed to end a thread. For that matter, I still have trouble joining in the wonderful lighthearted threads because my mind is just too linear.
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> I just don't see how restrictions could help anything. If you or someone who doesn't feel a part of Babble could explain how restrictions could help anything, I'd be willing to listen. I can't see how locking people out or locking people in, whichever way you want to see it, solves anything at all.I have to chuckle about this. First of all, my newbness shows in that the post should have been directed towards Dr Bob, not you Dinah. Sorry for the mistake.
As for your question about solving anything, I thought my post pretty much stated that I agree with you. As I said in the previous post, "I don't personally feel that trading in the invisible walls for visible ones solves that problem at all."Take care
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 8:44:56
In reply to Re: why people don't like this, posted by broken on February 1, 2005, at 8:38:48
Broken, it just takes time, work, and perseverence. Just like any other relationship.
There are some posters who sweep into Babble and there is love at first sight. Everyone wants to be their best friend. For the rest of us, it takes time and work and perseverence. Giving other people the chance to get to know us. Taking the time to get to know them and respond to them as individuals. The same thing will happen in return.
It's like that with all relationships don't you think? Magic happens very rarely for most of us. Often for a few of us. But hard work usually pays off over an extended period of time.
Not terribly exciting, but I'm a relationship pragmatist - even when the relationship is with a board rather than a person.
Posted by Jai Narayan on February 1, 2005, at 9:16:55
In reply to Re: why people don't like this » broken, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 8:28:42
I spent some time on the board with very little interaction at all. Mair was a dear and welcomed me - and there were a few others, but for the most part I had trouble with it. My posts seemed to end a thread. For that matter, I still have trouble joining in the wonderful lighthearted threads because my mind is just too linear.
**I have a hard time joining the lighthearted posts as well. I just don't seem to be as clever....I sure enjoy reading them.
I just don't see how restrictions could help anything. If you or someone who doesn't feel a part of Babble could explain how restrictions could help anything, I'd be willing to listen. I can't see how locking people out or locking people in, whichever way you want to see it, solves anything at all.
**why do I keep seeing myself on the outside, being one of the people locked out?
I guess if anyone was locked out....I would feel locked out...I thought the blocking would stop anyone who was offensive.
so who would decide who was in or out?
Angel Gabriel?
the Key master?
this is beginning to sound like the Matrix....
people slipping between programs.
Programs getting out of control.
Is Dr. Bob the guy who controls the train? The station master who kept Neo stuck in a station he had no power to escape?
wow, I'm in this illusion way too deep.Is this a done deal?
we just have to roll with it?
Jai Narayan
Posted by partlycloudy on February 1, 2005, at 10:21:32
In reply to Dinah...I know what you mean..., posted by Jai Narayan on February 1, 2005, at 9:16:55
We haven't seen any evidence of change yet - and perhaps part of any process of change here is to get feedback like this. From the sound of your posts, Dinah, it's a "done deal". My opinion is that Dr Bob invites lively discussions like this for the ideas and solutions the discussion can inspire. Oh, and maybe to stir up some dust if the board has been too quiet??
And I, too, am an Outsider, from a long way back.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 10:36:31
In reply to Re: Dinah...I know what you mean... » Jai Narayan, posted by partlycloudy on February 1, 2005, at 10:21:32
I suppose I hear it is a done deal in the tone of Dr. Bob's posts. I don't hear any give in them at all.
However, it's possible that I'm hearing wrong.
Perhaps Dr. Bob would like to let us in on how much of a done deal it is, and how much we're wasting our breath or not.
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 15:28:34
In reply to Re: I think I am still trying to understand... » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2005, at 23:40:45
> Ok. There I would say 'why is it wrong to mock handicapped people' and we would probably agree that it is hurtful. And so here I guess your point is that the former is hurtful too...Yep, that's it, thanks, I have to work on my clarity.
> But I would say that some good could come of small boards (not that it *will* come - but that it *might possibly*) for all the reasons that Dr Bob has given.People already have that choice, why must it be risked under the auspices of Babble?
Whereas I cannot see what good could come of mocking handicapped people.No.
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> Maybe he doesn't get how hurt people are likely to be...I think that's likely, I really do.
> > Yes, and he does, as I do, it works both ways.
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> Yes.
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> > > And that is a different issue from whether they should be implemented or not.
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> > No, actually I can agree to disagree on just about any topic but not where it involves implementing something that I believe is going to hurt people.
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> Not even for a greater good? I would say that Dr Bob thinks more good than harm would be likely to come from this or he wouldn't want to implement the idea. Maybe he is wrong, but I have faith that he is well intentioned (as are we all...).That would contradict Dr. Bobs previous and stated philosophies/actions, which was to protect the most sensitive at the risk of alienating the majority, an examply being the srict offensive language rules. And again, I can't see the greater good when the opportunity to have private conversations is already freely available.
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> Ok, I retract 'envy' (apologies) and replace it with 'hurt' as follows:
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> > > Some people may feel hurt that they cannot be part of one small board in particular.
> > > Sounds like that is what people are trying to prevent.I don't think it's one small board in particular. I really don't. I think it's a general feeling of exclusion, hurt that people need to seperate from the rest, it's an inference.
It's very natural to have a close group of friends, but it's rude to only associate with them when you are in public.
> > > But are those feelings of hurt something that follows from small boards or something that follows from...I'm not sure the deeper reasons need to be dealt with here, that's for therapy. I think babble should be easier on people than that babble is for people who are already working on enough things and should I believe be a place that is as comfortable as possible.
> But is there a possible greater good?No, I don't think so. If there is I think it's sacrificing the type of people who are sacrificed every day every where else in the world and that repulses me on a mental health board.
> Will some people stay on Babble who otherwise would leave?
> Will some people feel more supported and more understood?
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> Hard to weigh...
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> I haven't made my mind up either way...
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> PS. Ever thought of taking up philosophy :-)Ha! That's funny. I took philosophy for half a semester, it drove me bats. I figure if you can get everyone to agree on one thing (namely a philosophy) then you have no need for a philosophy.. Now when people discuss philosophy that's generally when I go play with the dog. : )
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 15:46:24
In reply to Re: why people don't like this, posted by Dr. Bob on February 1, 2005, at 2:17:03
> If people know what it's like to be shut out, > But I think it's OK if they think about themselves, too. And want a room to stay cozy, for example, if that's the way they like it.
BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then they can certainly do that, in their cozy room at home, and they can invite people over, and I won't stop them. However, if they want to put on their housecoat and slippers, and bring their two best friends, and park themselves in the middle of my living room and carry on a private conversation at my cocktail party then they can just help themselves to the almond cookies and special kool-aid punch I have on hand for just such boors.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on February 1, 2005, at 16:15:36
In reply to Fallen, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:55:35
Dinah all I know is I would gladly share my seat and fit 100 of the current users on the bus even if we had to sit on each others laps..I will sit on Brokens :) than shut the door in someones face..thats more to Dr Bob than you..You and I agree....I think like an old song I heard....when the stone men said "you see what you wanna see and hear what you wanna hear" is fitting for Dr Bob and his already made up mind.I won't be here when I have to shut a door on anyone's face not one person like or dislike them it is just not my style. And no Dr Bob I am not being snide it IS your site
> I think my logic about walls with no doors is along the lines that there are already walls with no doors. Emails, Open (which is of course Open to all, but not everyone is there at any given time and it's not archived), Yahoo conferences. They're all things we do when we wish to be private.
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> They're all very nice ways of being private, because they *are* private.
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> Restrictions are a not very nice way of being private, because they're not private.
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> I still just don't understand why Dr. Bob is so wedded to the idea of restrictions. I can come up with lots of nice pleasant reasons for his motives in a lot of aspects to this, but I'm at a loss when it comes to his attachments to restrictions. To exclusion. It's even harder to comprehend when he mixes a wedding to the idea of exclusion to a wedding of making the exlusion area public.
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on February 1, 2005, at 16:22:03
In reply to Re: why people don't like this » Dr. Bob, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 15:46:24
Good Lord, I just found this discussion. Not being able to endure ADmin. much of the time, I stay off of it.
So, my 2 cents. I feel this is a really horrible idea. I can't say anything new here that others have said much more eloquently.
so if I can't sign in on time under the first come first serve rules, then I'm SOL? Personally, I find the Babble 2000 Board ostracizing. And the Newbies since I can't even post there. I just feel this will cause major DIVISION, something which is not a good atmosphere for a forum dedicated to emotional support.
This will become highschool. The cool kids will have their little room and the rest of us will begin to look at them in awe.
To be frank, I get a little jealous of some of the strong bonds between people here at Babble. I know that's ridiculous, but I do. As with life in general, I sometimes feel ignored, or that people probably roll their eyes at my posts, etc. I'm sure this is all irrational. However, If sometimes I feel ignored now, I can only imagine how I will feel when I can't participate where I want!!!!
And really, I can't be the only person who feels this way.
I really love Babble. One of the reasons is because of how open it is. We're all equals. This new proposal makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 16:27:44
In reply to I'm sick to my stomach, posted by Miss Honeychurch on February 1, 2005, at 16:22:03
I don't think I'm being a pollyanna Miss Honeychurch, but I can't see how this will work even if it is implemented. First of all I have too much faith in Babblers, and second of all, there aren't enough posters, they other segregated boards have just about died on their own. If you look at the amount of posters on Social at any given time, and then try to imagine how many posters could possibly be separated from it and actually have company while they are in a different room it doesn't bode well for segregated areas.
(((Miss Honeychurch)))
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 16:36:00
In reply to Re: I'm sick to my stomach » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 16:27:44
I don't disagree with what you say, Gabbi. But to me the stomach turning thing is if Dr. Bob implements it, even if Babblers are more aware of issues of politeness than he is and it never gets off the ground.
If Babble is like a coral reef made up of individual posters present and past, Dr. Bob is the force that to some extent molds Babble. The water currents or whatever. My simile breaks down here for lack of knowledge, I fear.
I just always expect better of him. :(
Posted by Fallen4MyT on February 1, 2005, at 16:46:25
In reply to I'm sick to my stomach, posted by Miss Honeychurch on February 1, 2005, at 16:22:03
I feel the same and the thing is...I can post on the newbie thread cause I was one of the first greeters...I have said it all really by now I just wanted to let ya know I like you , youre not an outsider to me and I am sick over this idea...NOT CHANGE but THIS change.
> Good Lord, I just found this discussion. Not being able to endure ADmin. much of the time, I stay off of it.
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> So, my 2 cents. I feel this is a really horrible idea. I can't say anything new here that others have said much more eloquently.
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> so if I can't sign in on time under the first come first serve rules, then I'm SOL? Personally, I find the Babble 2000 Board ostracizing. And the Newbies since I can't even post there. I just feel this will cause major DIVISION, something which is not a good atmosphere for a forum dedicated to emotional support.
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> This will become highschool. The cool kids will have their little room and the rest of us will begin to look at them in awe.
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> To be frank, I get a little jealous of some of the strong bonds between people here at Babble. I know that's ridiculous, but I do. As with life in general, I sometimes feel ignored, or that people probably roll their eyes at my posts, etc. I'm sure this is all irrational. However, If sometimes I feel ignored now, I can only imagine how I will feel when I can't participate where I want!!!!
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> And really, I can't be the only person who feels this way.
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> I really love Babble. One of the reasons is because of how open it is. We're all equals. This new proposal makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 1, 2005, at 16:53:40
In reply to Re: I think I understand why people don't like this... » alexandra_k, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 6:50:39
> Ahhh. CBT.
> I hate it.Oh dear, I wasn't trying to be CBTish at all. I would never knowingly inflict that on another human being :-)
I will try to explain what I had in mind. Have you ever seen a duck-rabbit picture? Here is a link:
http://philo.zm3.net/visuals/Ambiguous/DuckRabbit.gif
Now, is it a duck or is it a rabbit? (You might need to look again). It all depends on how you look at it. In a way it is a choice whether to view it as a duck or whether to view it as a rabbit. Can you see how it is senseless to argue about how we *should* see it, or to argue about how it is *really*?
Now what I had in mind was how we see VSG's. Is it a barred room or is it a picnic in the park? I suppose we could view it either way depending on whether we focus on the pro's or whether we focus on the con's. All I was trying to illustrate is that there are different ways of seeing the same thing. Differences of opinion typically come about because people see the thing they are disagreeing on in different ways. But IMO it is harder to be mad at someone for seeing it differently if we can see where they are coming from (though we can still choose to see it the other way at the end of the day).
What I worry about with this discussion is that you have certain things that you think VSG's are by definition. Exclusionary and elite and so on. If I thought that VSG's were in fact exclusionary and elite then I would be opposed to them as a matter of principal. They would violate my core values. The other way we could look at them is to say that VSG's will promote more intensive caring and feelings of inclusion. By defintion if you like. To see them that way then my core values would say - we *should* in fact implement them.
But can you see how people who view them differently (in the VSG case) are in actual fact talking about two different things?
That is why I am trying to talk about VSG's and remove the emotive analogies and try to talk about something that is somewhere in the middle. Something with pro's and con's. Something where you have to weigh up hurt that some people may feel from being excluded from the good feelings of belonging and care that some people may feel from being a member of a VSG.
That was my thought there.
> While I can see the value of reframing issues sometimes, I can't see the value of reframing them always. Sometimes issues shouldn't be reframed. A lot of injustice happens when people reframe things that shouldn't be reframed.You can still continue to see it your way at the end of the day, of course. I am just trying to say that if you do try to see it the other way then it is harder to be mad or disappointed in people who see it differently.
> I don't think reframing it in such a way as to violate your core values is a viable option.But what I am wondering is whether it is possible that there may be another way to look at it in which your core values aren't violated.
> And choosing to be hurt seems to me like the old sticks and stones retort. It sounds nice. It makes the CBT'ers tails' wag. But I think it sounds nicer than it sounds true.Hmm. That is a hard one. I am just trying to work on the *so very* hurt...
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 16:57:46
In reply to I guess Dr. Bob and Babble are intertwined for me » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 16:36:00
> I don't disagree with what you say, Gabbi. But to me the stomach turning thing is if Dr. Bob implements it, even if Babblers are more aware of issues of politeness than he is and it never gets off the ground.
I think I understand that feeling a little bit, I remember how very hurt I was.. one time when I was blocked as I percieved unfairly, I'm still surprised really the feelings it brought out. When I came back I think I made an unconscious Bob/Babble separation but I haven't forgotten how I felt the first time I was really dissappointed by him, and still I had never given him the same loyalty and support that you had it's sad to see this happening.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on February 1, 2005, at 17:00:13
In reply to I guess Dr. Bob and Babble are intertwined for me » Gabbix2, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 16:36:00
Dinah for me the deal is we cannot REALLY talk about politics or religion we have to *side* talk them (I read all the boards and those two TO ME seem to be two we could toss out and the newbie board plus I am not sure they need be on a psych board ) 2000 is not really used....the grief and health boards move into psych and social *more often than not*. If one really looked at Babble Psychology, Admin, Babble, and social are...the most traveled and used. Look at the posters in them....move 20 % OUT AT RANDOM ...then take some posters you love to talk with out say 4 ....toss a few new ones in you may like or not...take out maybe your best babble bud and you have a gated community....sickening and not something I would expect from a psych area.
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