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Posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 19:16:46
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering - jrbecker, posted by BekkaH on August 9, 2003, at 0:27:04
I have never been disciplined enough to give exercising in the morning an adequate trial. I do it occasionally. But doing it everyday would be very tough. I think you're right in that it would eventually get easier. But I've been told by some sleep experts that exercising at the peak of the day is actually the most beneficial for you in terms of feeling sleepier earlier. I don't know if this logic works for atypical depressives though. Perhaps exercising in the morning would make more sense. It's just so damn hard to do -- talk about motivation. Perhaps I can pull it off eventually.
Good luck with the morning routine. I'm optimistic that you'll see some good results. Let me know how it goes.
JB
> Hi jrbecker,
>
> Thanks so much for the information! By the way, I read somewhere that exercise suppresses melatonin for about 12 or more hours. In the past, you've discussed your circadian phase shift, and I wonder whether you've ever tried exercising in the morning, every day for a few weeks? I find that the later I exercise, the later I stay awake at night. I'm going to try to go back to exercising in the morning and see whether that helps my delayed sleep phase.
>
> Bekka
Posted by trauma queen on August 9, 2003, at 19:24:14
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 16:46:11
To Ocean Mist, Gal, downbutnotout...
Sorry...a tad on the long side!!
Holy moly...I never knew I was part of quads separated at birth...
No really...you guys pretty much all describe EXACTLY how I feel...it's close to creepy! I, myself, started on Lexapro almost 3 weeks ago. First week...felt instantly better, even estatic! BUT BUT BUT...had the skin crawling feeling, that underlying anxiety, MUSCLE ACHES. You know what it reminded me of??? Coming down off of X. Now I'm a nurse, and used to go out and party wild with other nurses...and we loved our party drugs. But being ICU nurses, we were all quite interested in how they truly affect your body. X basically gives you a rush of Serotonin, and even Dopamine and Norepinephrine. Knowing what we know about these neurotransmitters explained the hot flashes, cold extremities (we were "clamping down" as we call it--less blood to extremities...more to organs) Also, Magnesium is depleted...which causes the muscle aches and teeth clenching afterwards. We would often supplement ourselves w/Mg++ to prevent that. Plus dehydration can also cause that.
So, after starting Lexapro...and feeling like I was having a post-ecstasy side effects, I realized that due to the Serotonin Reuptake Inhibition that is going on...this must have something to do with it... I am not completely well versed in the exact physiological happenings as JrBecker and others may be...I have a rudimentary understanding of it...
My thought is to take Mag supplements (I have heard NOT Mg Oxide) and a daily vitamin, and stay hydrated. The muscle aches come and go for me...
NOW...I ALSO have been EXTREMELY LETHARGIC!! Holy moly...sleeping more than 12 hrs a day!! I have had NO motivation whatsoever. BUT, I haven't been depressed. Until recently...had a little extra stress in my life, and I cried, was feeling really down and it scared me!! But then last night I sat there, thinking...I need to get thru this...I need to not pity myself, or my friends aren't going to want to be around me. And I really need my friends right now. Last night, all of a sudden, something happened and today I feel incredible! I feel like I CAN DO IT! I went out, got a planner, wrote in my journal, watched some movies... have been unpacking and putting things away (just moved). It's wild. I think the Lexapro may be kicking in...but alas it's only been under 3 weeks. So we'll see...
I've received some excellent advice, from Jimi...and also have been reading what Wayne says...and I think -- You just gotta HANG IN THERE. Give the Lexapro a chance to work. It's giving me my life back...I can't express how happy I am about that... I think patience is key.
Now...to downbutnotout... I'm baffled about your apparent hypothyroidism. I looked in my nursing books to see if a "temporary hypothyroidism" could be possible. I read that, when hypothroidism occurs in adults, it is usually due to destruction of the thyroid gland by radiation (on purpose--due to HYPER-thyroidism). But I also read it can develop when one has eaten excessive amounts of "goitrogens"...namely, turnips, rutabagas, soybeans, skins of peanuts. There are also drugs that can inhibit the thyroid... AND, if you don't have enough iodine in your diet (from salt).
Now...the side effects/manifestations of hypothroidism are mental sluggishness, inattentiveness, memory loss, lethargy--basically appearing depressed. However, looking depressed and BEING depressed are two different things...depression causes you to have negative thoughts, sadness, anxiety, thoughts of dying, low self-esteem... could depression possibly cause your pituitary gland to send out less TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) and possibly lower your thyroid levels????? At the time they drew your blood and told you you were hypothryroid--were you actually FEELING depressed??? USUALLY--once a person is hypothyroid, it is due to destruction of the thyroid gland for whatever reason (atrophy, radiation) and they are on Synthroid for LIFE...you can't be "cured". SO--I am BAFFLED!!!
I DO relate ALSO to your "closet depression"--I am the same way... I'm a Gemini...I like to be an outwardly jovial character. I don't want people to know that I'm truly in pain. But I got to the point where I was so incredibly sad...I didn't know *HOW* to let people know I needed help. And it was a slow transition from my happy me, to my very sad me...people hardly noticed unless they really thought about how I had changed.
Okay...I could go on forever...but I hope the above sheds some kind of light...maybe...maybe not... All of this has truly made my day...I know I'm not alone in my craziness...and that's comforting.
Please take care...Tari Anne
> No I do not want to switch from it, Just I have seen others stating that you can take Wellbutrin also to curb the side effects. I am hoping this is true.
> Yes I have gained weight, only because I am not so mobile, all I do is eat or sleep when I am not working. All I think about is eating or sleeping.
> I forgot about the jaw clinching as well, but that is getting better.
> Hope this helps. Nice to know others out here are going through what I am feeling.
> Took me forever to find a forum that has Lexapro on it.
>
>
> > >>>>>I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5 weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> > May I please get in on this. I started Lexapro a week ago and I am doing quite well on it too, have you gained weight from it? I gained weight from all the other SSRI's except Celexa which I know Lex is an isomer of Celexa??? You are on Lexapro now??? Are you okay with it? I'm a little confused as to whether you are happy with Lexapro or want to change? I hope you feel better.
> > Please reply,
> > Gal
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I started taking Lexapro 10mg about 5 weeks ago, and right away I noticed a big difference in myself. I was in closet depression as I like to call it. Nobody around me knew I was depressed. They had no clue I was so unhappy and could not get through a day without crying. When I thought of dying all the time I knew it was time to get help. My doctor put me on Lexapro because she said the side effects were suppose to be less than all the rest. At first I was nausea, but that subsided. Now the only side effects I have is extreme fatigue, I could sleep all day, and I never had that problem before. I just dont care about anything any more. I have to make myself do things. I have no sexual desire what so ever and cannot reach an orgasim. I have gained weight. I laugh that all I feel like doing is sleeping and eating. But I have tremendous amount of insomnia when I do go to bed. What are your thoughts on this? Was thinking of asking my Dr. to put me on Wellbutrin? Do you all think this would help with the side effects. I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by downbutnotout on August 9, 2003, at 19:55:51
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by trauma queen on August 9, 2003, at 19:24:14
>
>
> Now...to downbutnotout... I'm baffled about your apparent hypothyroidism. I looked in my nursing books to see if a "temporary hypothyroidism" could be possible. I read that, when hypothroidism occurs in adults, it is usually due to destruction of the thyroid gland by radiation (on purpose--due to HYPER-thyroidism). But I also read it can develop when one has eaten excessive amounts of "goitrogens"...namely, turnips, rutabagas, soybeans, skins of peanuts. There are also drugs that can inhibit the thyroid... AND, if you don't have enough iodine in your diet (from salt).
>
> Now...the side effects/manifestations of hypothroidism are mental sluggishness, inattentiveness, memory loss, lethargy--basically appearing depressed. However, looking depressed and BEING depressed are two different things...depression causes you to have negative thoughts, sadness, anxiety, thoughts of dying, low self-esteem... could depression possibly cause your pituitary gland to send out less TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) and possibly lower your thyroid levels????? At the time they drew your blood and told you you were hypothryroid--were you actually FEELING depressed??? USUALLY--once a person is hypothyroid, it is due to destruction of the thyroid gland for whatever reason (atrophy, radiation) and they are on Synthroid for LIFE...you can't be "cured". SO--I am BAFFLED!!!
>
> I DO relate ALSO to your "closet depression"--I am the same way... I'm a Gemini...I like to be an outwardly jovial character. I don't want people to know that I'm truly in pain. But I got to the point where I was so incredibly sad...I didn't know *HOW* to let people know I needed help. And it was a slow transition from my happy me, to my very sad me...people hardly noticed unless they really thought about how I had changed.
>
TariAnn:Thanks so much for your input. I sure do appreciate it from everyone! Thanks too for looking up that hypothyroid business for me. I was told by the previous doctors that I'd be on Synthroid for life. When I started the Synthroid I was not as depressed as I am now but I think I was depressed. I too think that there is some funny chemistry going on in my body and the thyroid numbers will change as my depression improves. It'll be interesting to see what happens! I love my new doctor and can't believe that he read me so well so fast. He's a real gem.
> > Hope this helps. Nice to know others out here are going through what I am feeling.
> > Took me forever to find a forum that has Lexapro on it.
> >
Posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 21:08:04
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 19:08:49
What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
Doug in PA
Doug,
>
> to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
>
> I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
>
> The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
>
> If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
>
> Good luck.
>
> > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > Doug in PA
> > ================================================
> >
> > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > >
> > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 22:04:10
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering, posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 21:08:04
you've never noticed any short-term memory loss when taking antidepressants? This is a minor complaint of some, including myself. But it's hard to distinguish the underlying depression memory-deficits from the short-term memory loss that may be caused by antidepressants. So what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that your memory issues are worsened by the Lexapro. The best person to surmise that is you.
If you do a google search of past threads (remember to have dr-bob.org contained in the search), you'll probably run across some posts about lexapro and memory to get some more background. I don't know what else to tell you besides that perhaps this warrants a discussion with your doc. You have lots of other choices in ADs if you feel that Lexapro is actually causing some issues.
> What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
>
> Doug in PA
>
> Doug,
> >
> > to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
> >
> > I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
> >
> > The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
> >
> > If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > > Doug in PA
> > > ================================================
> > >
> > > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > > >
> > > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > > >
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Posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 22:25:33
In reply to Re: Lex and memory » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 22:04:10
I have been on antidepressants for so many years I have forgotten what a good memory is like. "The older I get, the better I was." I just dont know any more. Though I dont have anything to die for, I also have nothing to live for. I just live day to miserable day. I honestly believe that it sucks to be me. When I get up in the morning I am already looking forward to going to bed at night. Antidepressant can do just so much. If your life is a bore than pills wont help the negative things that are in your life. This is how I feel even after two months on Lexapro 10mg.
Doug in PA
==========================================> you've never noticed any short-term memory loss when taking antidepressants? This is a minor complaint of some, including myself. But it's hard to distinguish the underlying depression memory-deficits from the short-term memory loss that may be caused by antidepressants. So what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that your memory issues are worsened by the Lexapro. The best person to surmise that is you.
>
> If you do a google search of past threads (remember to have dr-bob.org contained in the search), you'll probably run across some posts about lexapro and memory to get some more background. I don't know what else to tell you besides that perhaps this warrants a discussion with your doc. You have lots of other choices in ADs if you feel that Lexapro is actually causing some issues.
>
>
> > What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
> >
> > Doug in PA
> >
> > Doug,
> > >
> > > to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
> > >
> > > I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
> > >
> > > The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
> > >
> > > If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > > > Doug in PA
> > > > ================================================
> > > >
> > > > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Posted by tm on August 10, 2003, at 6:59:25
In reply to Re: Lex and memory, posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 22:25:33
I doubt that you remember so a brief summary. Started lex the last week of April and have been on Xanax longer than that. I have been on 20 mg of lex for most of the time and still take .5 Xanax 4 x a day. My anxiety problems started the first week in March. I started with Paxil and did not like the SE's. My problem is that I have good weeks with no problems and no axiety thoughts. Then I will get week or so that a little Axiety creeps back in, I can hide it and nobody knows. I start to have slight sleeping problems, I wake up several times early in the morning. In know way do I suffer like I did when I first started with anxiety. Do you have any ideas? I go back to the pdoc the Sept. 3. Don't want do go through a med change!! Does anyone else expierence this? Thanks!
Tim
Posted by jrbecker on August 10, 2003, at 12:54:31
In reply to Re: Lex and memory, posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 22:25:33
whoa! now we're getting somewhere -- so the memory issue is not the only outstanding one. Doug, I know all of us have issues with staying optimistic, but you're following statements don't make me believe that you're anywhere satisfied with your current treatment. It's sounds like you're at sort of a low point, at least in terms of your outlook.
You need some more support man. Are you leveraging all available means of treatment (e.g., talk therapy, exercise, supplements, relaxation techniques). As for the meds, I think it's time to talk to your doc about whether Lexapro is the right fit. Stay proactive and hang in there. Try to hone in on the times in the past where things we're good. Know that you can re-capture that again and make it stick. Stay motivated towards treatment, keep a positive outlook, and most importantly, -->>educate yourself exhaustively on this condition<<--.All the best, and do stay in touch.
JB
> I have been on antidepressants for so many years I have forgotten what a good memory is like. "The older I get, the better I was." I just dont know any more. Though I dont have anything to die for, I also have nothing to live for. I just live day to miserable day. I honestly believe that it sucks to be me. When I get up in the morning I am already looking forward to going to bed at night. Antidepressant can do just so much. If your life is a bore than pills wont help the negative things that are in your life. This is how I feel even after two months on Lexapro 10mg.
> Doug in PA
> ==========================================
>
> > you've never noticed any short-term memory loss when taking antidepressants? This is a minor complaint of some, including myself. But it's hard to distinguish the underlying depression memory-deficits from the short-term memory loss that may be caused by antidepressants. So what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that your memory issues are worsened by the Lexapro. The best person to surmise that is you.
> >
> > If you do a google search of past threads (remember to have dr-bob.org contained in the search), you'll probably run across some posts about lexapro and memory to get some more background. I don't know what else to tell you besides that perhaps this warrants a discussion with your doc. You have lots of other choices in ADs if you feel that Lexapro is actually causing some issues.
> >
> >
> > > What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
> > >
> > > Doug in PA
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > > >
> > > > to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
> > > >
> > > > I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
> > > >
> > > > The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
> > > >
> > > > If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > > > > Doug in PA
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Posted by BLKVETTES on August 10, 2003, at 13:05:31
In reply to Wayne Or anyone I have a question, posted by tm on August 10, 2003, at 6:59:25
> I doubt that you remember so a brief summary. Started lex the last week of April and have been on Xanax longer than that. I have been on 20 mg of lex for most of the time and still take .5 Xanax 4 x a day. My anxiety problems started the first week in March. I started with Paxil and did not like the SE's. My problem is that I have good weeks with no problems and no axiety thoughts. Then I will get week or so that a little Axiety creeps back in, I can hide it and nobody knows. I start to have slight sleeping problems, I wake up several times early in the morning. In know way do I suffer like I did when I first started with anxiety. Do you have any ideas? I go back to the pdoc the Sept. 3. Don't want do go through a med change!! Does anyone else expierence this? Thanks!
> Tim
>Hi Tim, this is just from my experience and dont know if it will happen with you. My depression went away in about 6 to 7 weeks pretty much for good. The anxiety was a different story. It started going away around the 7 week time mark. It slowly got better over time and I do mean slowly. I to had those days where there would be no anxiety and then a few days of what I call mild anxiety that was more of a nuisance than anything. My sleep patterns would change from sleeping good to waking up constantly to insomnia and back and forth. Im not going to lie it must have taken me a good 5 months for what I would say for it to leave pretty much for good. I no longer take xanax except for a little before bedtime. The goal would be to wean off the xanax at some point. After awhile your body builds up a tolerance to the xanax and it does not have the same effect. If possible only take it when you need it. Others on different boards take more than you. There is a new xanax that is more potent and stays in the body longer. We are all so different but getting rid of the anxiety is a real SOB. Thats about all I can say I guess it just takes a lot of time. At one time I was so bad I could not leave the house or be left alone so I hope that gives you hope!!!!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by Doug in PA on August 10, 2003, at 13:56:48
In reply to Re: » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 10, 2003, at 12:54:31
HI. Thanks for the post.
Oh I know there is more going on here, but I just cant seem to get on top of it. I was divorced 22 years ago at age 40. Except for 4 fine ladies in all that time, I have come home to an empty house and slept alone about 7 thousand nights. I have eaten 22,000 meals alone in the last 20 years. This is the main thing going on...lonelyness to the point where it becomes a physical pain. I am well educated and have been told that I am (moderately) attractive and look nowhere near my age. I have joined many clubs and organizations in order to socialize but to little avail. Everyone thinks that I am a happy go lucky guy and they never guess that I am totally down in the dumps. Never seem to meet the right woman. Those interesting ones I do meet are either married or 30+ years my junior. Being diagnosed with coranary artery desease and a totally clogged right artery 6 years ago was the "coup de gras" for me being optimistic. This post is one of the few times that I have opened up. Phychologists provide no help or comfort either. I tried religion for a while only to find that the more that I learned about all organized religion, the more that I thought it was just one big joke. I have just about given up all hope of ever being happy again. I cant pull myself up by my bootstraps when all the weight on my back keeps me down.Doug in PA
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Posted by Rich B on August 11, 2003, at 14:00:06
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
At least for me, withdrawal from Lexapro was far worse than withdrawal from Paxil. Maybe it’s because I was only on Paxil for a couple of months and I was on Lexapro for about 8 months. Either way, here is the lowdown. With Paxil, I weaned myself off it for a couple of weeks. During the weaning process, I was miserable. The dizziness was the main problem. Once I stopped totally, the dizziness stopped almost completely. With Lexapro, the dizziness wasn't bad the entire I time I was cutting back, but as soon as I would stop, the dizziness would kick in. Accompanying the dizziness was EXTREME fatigue, lethargy, and depression (which was never a problem for me).
Stopping cold turkey is not recommended. I did that right off the back and the symptoms were unbearable. I tried twice to wean myself off, and each time, after I stopped, I had to go back on because I had some weekend thing going on that I could not attend feeling like I was. I guess I should have planned my weaning process a little better.UPDATE:
I totally stopped a little over a week ago. Friday Aug 1st was the last day I took it. The dizziness is finally starting to get better. I still have it, but it is not too bad and is getting better every day. I went to an amusement park on Saturday and rode the rides all afternoon and was OK. After all that walking and standing I did, I was completely drained and exhausted all day on Sunday. I wonder if my withdrawal played a part. Overall, it took a week (after the weaning process and then stopping completely) to finally start feeling a little better. I'll let you all know when the withdrawal is over.Rich
P.S. - Lexapro was a better SSRI for me that Paxil was because the regular side effects were much better with Lexapro that they were with Paxil. With Paxil, I was wayyy to tired all the time. With Lexapro, the tiredness was not as bad. The sexual side effects were also worse with Paxil.
Posted by momma on August 11, 2003, at 19:28:47
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
I've been on Lexapro for the last 9 months and for 9 months I've been asleep. I feel as though I went to sleep skinny and woke up one day, fat to the tune of a 45 pound gain. I was sleeping at least 16 hours a day. I slept at work too. I had no motivation at all and my memory was gone.
I would forget what I was talking about mid-sentence. This and more on just 10 mg at day.
I was also experiencing a very irregular heart beat.
I was put on Lexapro because I was having some problems coping with my anger and irritablity. I have always been easily irritated, but raising 3 teenage daughers with the usual problems became difficult to cope with. The medication helped.
I decided to take myself off of Lexapro because coping was the only positive thing that was happening. I'm now wondering if quitting was a good idea. I'm having the worst withdrawl that I've ever had, (I've also taken Zoloft and Celexa).I'm very moody and emotional. I can't sleep to save my soul. I sweat like a pig and I'm always hot. I feel insecure and confused. I'm having strange brain spasms or flashes, all the time.
I forgot to add that I work for my Father,(it ain't easy) and the lexapro was helping me cope with that too. I do A/R and collection work so you have some idea that it's not always the most pleasant kind of work.
There are some pluses to taking LEXAPRO, but I'm having a very hard time deciding if it's all worth it. Please someone give me some advise.
Thanks for any input.
Posted by tm on August 11, 2003, at 19:55:54
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by momma on August 11, 2003, at 19:28:47
Of course I'm not a doc., but maybe the dose was just too much. There are some people who take less than 10 and have good results. I take 20 myself and don't have the problems you have. Ask the doc if you can trim back. Did you stop cold turkey? That could be trouble itself.
Good Luck Tim.> I've been on Lexapro for the last 9 months and for 9 months I've been asleep. I feel as though I went to sleep skinny and woke up one day, fat to the tune of a 45 pound gain. I was sleeping at least 16 hours a day. I slept at work too. I had no motivation at all and my memory was gone.
> I would forget what I was talking about mid-sentence. This and more on just 10 mg at day.
> I was also experiencing a very irregular heart beat.
> I was put on Lexapro because I was having some problems coping with my anger and irritablity. I have always been easily irritated, but raising 3 teenage daughers with the usual problems became difficult to cope with. The medication helped.
> I decided to take myself off of Lexapro because coping was the only positive thing that was happening. I'm now wondering if quitting was a good idea. I'm having the worst withdrawl that I've ever had, (I've also taken Zoloft and Celexa).I'm very moody and emotional. I can't sleep to save my soul. I sweat like a pig and I'm always hot. I feel insecure and confused. I'm having strange brain spasms or flashes, all the time.
> I forgot to add that I work for my Father,(it ain't easy) and the lexapro was helping me cope with that too. I do A/R and collection work so you have some idea that it's not always the most pleasant kind of work.
> There are some pluses to taking LEXAPRO, but I'm having a very hard time deciding if it's all worth it. Please someone give me some advise.
> Thanks for any input.
>
Posted by vandy on August 11, 2003, at 21:05:19
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by momma on August 11, 2003, at 19:28:47
You don't mention anything else but the medicine. Did you do any other therapy? Remember, the medication is a lot like an umbrella in a rain storm. It's up and sheltering you from the rain. You're dry but you need to do other things beside being dry. Other therapy to get to the deep seated stuff that caused the depression/anxiety in the first place is really the only reason to take the medicine, in my humble opinion. I need to do that for my sanity. There's stuff in there. There's hidden anger in me. If I don't feret it out and expose it for what it is and deal with it, the medicine becomes a crutch. At the risk of two analogies making things unclear instead of enlightening, you can move with your crutch and the injury that makes it necessary gets time to heal but pt will make it better faster.
Posted by galkeepinon on August 11, 2003, at 23:39:36
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by momma on August 11, 2003, at 19:28:15
What is your diagnosis, may I ask? As far as sleep, have you tried Ambien or a benzo such as Klonopin? What about Neurontin? I started Lexapro about 10 days ago, and it has done wonders for me!! I was a depressed mess after going off Effexor. The only problem I have had is I am having insomnia-BAD.
Really, only YOU can determine if Lexapro is for you. It sounds as if it may have been doing some good-except maybe you needed to augment another medication with it to help you with your anger (which therapy may help also), irritabilty, and weight gain? May I suggest an AP? Seroquel did wonders for me in the past-really liked that medication, helped with the irritability and anger, but not the weight. Topamax is great and I have lost 25 pounds on it, so any weight I do gain, if any, on Lexapro, the Topamax is holding me somewhat steady.
Hope this helps and good luck! :-)
> I've been on Lexapro for the last 9 months and for 9 months I've been asleep. I feel as though I went to sleep skinny and woke up one day, fat to the tune of a 45 pound gain. I was sleeping at least 16 hours a day. I slept at work too. I had no motivation at all and my memory was gone.
> I would forget what I was talking about mid-sentence. This and more on just 10 mg at day.
> I was also experiencing a very irregular heart beat.
> I was put on Lexapro because I was having some problems coping with my anger and irritablity. I have always been easily irritated, but raising 3 teenage daughers with the usual problems became difficult to cope with. The medication helped.
> I decided to take myself off of Lexapro because coping was the only positive thing that was happening. I'm now wondering if quitting was a good idea. I'm having the worst withdrawl that I've ever had, (I've also taken Zoloft and Celexa).I'm very moody and emotional. I can't sleep to save my soul. I sweat like a pig and I'm always hot. I feel insecure and confused. I'm having strange brain spasms or flashes, all the time.
> I forgot to add that I work for my Father,(it ain't easy) and the lexapro was helping me cope with that too. I do A/R and collection work so you have some idea that it's not always the most pleasant kind of work.
> There are some pluses to taking LEXAPRO, but I'm having a very hard time deciding if it's all worth it. Please someone give me some advise.
> Thanks for any input.
>
Posted by Mike Oxsbig on August 12, 2003, at 16:07:12
In reply to re: Lexapro sexual side effects » guyndenver, posted by lil' jimi on August 2, 2003, at 5:35:15
Just reading through the thread and would like to add my comments. I started on Lexapro last October after seeing my family doc for ADD. He started me on Lex because of the anxiety and stress that ADD was causing me and because SSRI's seem to be the first course of action for adult ADD.
I can tell you that it has decreased my libido and has certainly caused some erectile disfunction. Thank god for Viagra.
> hi guyndenver,
>
> and my thanks for covering for us there, theump .. ... .. sorry i'm so late ...
>
> guy, i certainly understand your feelings ... frustration can have few sharper definitions ... past posters have shared the misery of the folly of viagra for anorgasmia, the inability to have orgasms ... ... to have endured this as long as you have is infuriating and hardly seems a relief for depression ... all of which you have stated very well.
>
> there have been a number of posts about sexual side effects (hardly "side" effects) on this lexapro thread ... many have been prompted by inquiries by me ... .. ... there would seem to me to be a concensus that lex has less sexual SEs than paxil or effexor ... which i would say is damning lex with faint praise due to paxil's and effexor's notorious reputations for sexual dysfunction of many types, notably decreased libido ... the posts to this thread have mentioned almost no lexapro related loss of libido (of those that have mentioned this, almost all were using other meds as well) and there have been no mentions of erectile dysfuntion.
>
> and all of this information is from my distillation of reading the entire lex thread which extends back more than a year ... not exactly science, especially with my memory for a data base! ... ...
> ... ... nevertheless, there are consistencies which would suggest some validity to these observations ...
>
> my wife was on paxil maybe 15 years ago now and we have regreted it everyday since ... we still struggle to recover her libido, but the greater tragedy was not knowing or ever being told about paxil side effects until very recently ...
>
> i have been on lexapro since march ... ... i had some intense SEs the first few days, but by 2 weeks they all went away ... ...
> ... ... one of my side effects was anorgasmia ... ... frankly it was frightening, but _within_ that first week i went from a total inabilty to have an orgasm or ejaculate, despite full libido and erectile function ... ... back to orgasmic functon.
> ... ... in total, this lasted less than a week ... ...
>
> actually, i have had to restrain myself posting about sexual function here because i am among a (small?) number of lex users who have had beneficial sexual experience since taking lex ... ... on a message board about meds for anxiety and depression, it isn't really considerate to be celebrating sexual benefits from the drugs you're taking too loudly ... ...
> ... ... since my anorgasmia went away my oragasms have changed for the better, but i am only giving details if requested, out of respect for the folks suffering who don't need to hear this.
>
> ... ... so guyndenver, that's my story ... ... after all the studies are done and all the posts posted, there will remain a wide range of possibilities of how lexapro could effect your anorgasmia .... and all of the probabilites won't mean a thing compared to your own, unique, risky experience of trying lexapro for yourself ...
> ... ... stories i tell don't matter compared to direct experience
>
> i have not taken any other ADs ... but i believe the SSRIs are different from each other, even celexa from lexapro by a great deal, i would say, and that each ssri effects the user differently, but individual variation of the users overwhelms any value from the statistics from studies ... stats can kind of guide you before you take, say, an ssri, but you're on your own after you do take an ssri ...
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> ... ... except we have this forum here (Thanks, Dr. Bob!) to share our experiences, offer information, and to support each other ... ... i am indebted to the people who have posted here ... i have benefitted greatly. ... my thanks to every one.
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> i wish you the best and i would hope you would keep posting here whether you take any meds or not ... ... it would be great to hear how you are doing ...
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> ...and as my pal Wayne has taught me, we sign out with, his classic ...
> TAKE CARE !!!
> ~ jim
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> p.s. your paxil SEs have endured so long since you quit paxil, i'd wonder if lexapro Could overcome such an established condition ... what does your doc say about your persistent anorgamia?
> ~ j
>
> > Thanks for your input. But, I think I will wait until Lex has been out for a bit longer. I read an interesting article I found on webmd about SSRI's and sexual side effects in general. It states that overall, in men, SSRI's create some sort of sexual side effect, whether it be E.D. or "delayed orgasm" in around 10% of those taking them. But, they are now finding that that 10% number isn't even close to the actual number of those effected. They blame the false findings in the clinical trials and post trials to the fact that most men are uncomfortable discussing these problems with their docs. This is not a direct quote, but the jist of the article. So, if on average, SSRI's in general show 10%, and Lexapro (according to their own documentation) shows 9%, I aint gonna hold my breath.
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> > My doc tried the viagra route with me and thus the other issue. I can now go for 4 hours straight and no orgasm. Might sound great to some, but, trust me, it is pure hell! If any company out there actually ever is successfull in figuring this one out, I hope I know someone on the inside because I will mortgage my home to buy their stock! It will out sell all other SSRI's out there.
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> > > Well, I'm a woman so I can't say for men but I have read on this message board that sexual side effects do dissipate on Lex. As for myself I would say it lasted a little over a week, almost would get there but couldn't, I think other posters here called it anorgasmic. Now things are fine if not better. I think Jim or Wayne have had good postings about this.
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> > > If you type "sexual side effects" into the search for this site you should come up with past posts dealing with that subject.
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> > > I hope this helps and hopefully someone else will speak up from the male point of view.
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> > > > Really? And, you have direct experience with this? Because a whole year after Paxil CR and it's still there - the same with any anti-d I have ever been on. I have never taken any anti-d that the sexual side effects ever went away. I have not ever taken Lexapro, and based upon the info on their website, the sexual side effects don't go away in 9% of all men. And, they admit that this number is probably artifically low due to men's lack of willingness to discuss sexual issues with their docs. Can anyone else confirm this assurtion?
> > > >
> > > > > The sexual side effects go away after a week or so. How long have you been taking the Lex?
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> > > > > > I just don't get it. Can't anyone out there make an anti-d that doesn't mess with your sexlife? I have tried them all! I am currently on Paxil CR, 12.5mg, for treatment of anxiety. It helps, but it's not worth it any more! I finally got over most of the side effects (been on it for nearly a year) but there is one nagging side effect that I will not tolerate any more and that is the problem with the so-called "delayed ejaculation". I can have sex for hours and never ejaculate without a lot of "manual intervention" and at that, it is very unsatisfying. I was so excited when my doc told me about lexapro and about the reduced side effects. I decided to research it before I switched and I am glad I did. Sounds to me like there is absolutely no difference between lexapro, paxil, celexa - you name them. It is really sad that they have drugs that make you feel good about yourself, make you want to live your life to it's fullest, but takes so much away in the area of one of lifes most basic of activities. Sheesh! Can't somebody do something? I think I will be stopping all anti-d's and dealing with the anxiety on my own - at least then I will not have the added performance anxiety during sex!
> > > > > >
>
Posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 16:27:25
In reply to re: Lexapro sexual side effects, posted by Mike Oxsbig on August 12, 2003, at 16:07:12
hi Mike,
you posted:
> Just reading through the thread and would like to add my comments. I started on Lexapro last October after seeing my family doc for ADD. He started me on Lex because of the anxiety and stress that ADD was causing me and because SSRI's seem to be the first course of action for adult ADD.
>
> I can tell you that it has decreased my libido and has certainly caused some erectile disfunction. Thank god for Viagra.
>welcome to our lex thread here at pBabble ... ... i appreciate your contribution ... ... every differnent angle gives us greater depth of perspective ... ... thanks!
i have yet to experience any negative libido impact, but i've only been on 10 mg of lex for 5 months now ... .. ... i have been hoping this wouldn't happen because posts about decreased libido seem to me to be pretty rare here .. .... .. i'm still hoping ...
... how long were you on lexapro before you had this effect?
... have you experienced any relief from the anxiety and stress?
... has your ADD improved?
... how much lex do you take?
... best of luck with the ED ... ... glad the viagra is helping you ...
... hang in there!TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 16:41:37
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by vandy on August 11, 2003, at 21:05:19
hi vandy,
you wrote:
> You don't mention anything else but the medicine. Did you do any other therapy? Remember, the medication is a lot like an umbrella in a rain storm. It's up and sheltering you from the rain. You're dry but you need to do other things beside being dry. Other therapy to get to the deep seated stuff that caused the depression/anxiety in the first place is really the only reason to take the medicine, in my humble opinion. I need to do that for my sanity. There's stuff in there. There's hidden anger in me. If I don't feret it out and expose it for what it is and deal with it, the medicine becomes a crutch. At the risk of two analogies making things unclear instead of enlightening, you can move with your crutch and the injury that makes it necessary gets time to heal but it will make it better faster.
>i just wanted to tell you that i liked your post a lot and i have shared it with friends over at pSocial ... it's great ... thanks!
oh, and i don't do any therapy ... ... ... yet.
TAKE CARE!!
~ jim
p.s. but i do use an umbrella! HA!
p.s.s. and i told my friends that i (get this!) use pBab as my pDoc (!!!) HA! ack!!
Posted by JCServant7 on August 12, 2003, at 18:08:32
In reply to re: lexapro's sexual and anxiety side effects, posted by aloe on August 7, 2003, at 9:28:37
Hi all -
Just started Lexapro 10 mg today, and it was weird to say the least! I got this terrible headache, my face felt flushed, I ran to the bathroom three times due to diarrhea, I was yawning all day and slept for three hours in the afternoon, I got his raging hardon that wouldn't go away for a few hours. Geez! I will stick it out for at least a week and see if some of this stuff resolves. I won't hand in the towel just yet. I am being weaned off Remeron after being on it for 6 years. I'm at 30 mg now and in a month will be dropped to 15 mg and then a month later, be done with it.
Thanks for any responses in advance!
Steve
Posted by Bela on August 12, 2003, at 18:18:26
In reply to re: Lexapro sexual side effects » Mike Oxsbig, posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 16:27:25
I am curious as to whether anyone has had experience with the so-called "poop-out" syndrome---diminishment or cessation of effectiveness with ADs. If so, do you have any suggestions for remedies other than upping the dosage or switching to another AD? How successful were you with weaning yourself off the AD if you did try that method?
Bela
Posted by jlo820 on August 12, 2003, at 19:17:02
In reply to re:Poop-out Syndrome with ADs, posted by Bela on August 12, 2003, at 18:18:26
>> Do you have any suggestions for remedies other than upping the dosage or switching to another AD?
Those are the two main options. Perhaps before switching to something else, a doctor might try an augmentation strategy. For example, if you are on Effexor and it is not working or seems to have quit working, your doctor might trying adding Wellbutrin to see if it would help.
Posted by Doug in PA on August 12, 2003, at 19:48:45
In reply to Re: » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 10, 2003, at 12:54:31
I stopped in Vitamin world today and CVS and could not find, nor had they heard of methylcobalamin. They had Cyanocobalamin but not the above. Anyone got a brand name or vitamin source store for methylcobalamin???
Doug in PA
Posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:32:56
In reply to Re:B12 methylcobalamin where to buy???, posted by Doug in PA on August 12, 2003, at 19:48:45
I use the NOW brand. Do a search for it and see what comes up. There's tons of vendors you can order from online, but it might be worth it to talk through some of your questions with a health food store clerk. I thought you were going to try GNC, any luck there? How bout local herbal stores, any in your area?
Posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:36:52
In reply to Re:B12 methylcobalamin where to buy??? » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:32:56
I know this has been an adjunct treatment for Huntington's (and of course for bodybuilders) for a while now, but now it looks like it might have wider applications...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3145223.stm
Creatine 'boosts brain power'
The supplement is favoured by some athletes
The dietary supplement creatine - known to improve athletic performance - can also boost memory and intelligence, researchers claim.
Creatine is a natural compound found in muscle tissue, and has been popular with athletes looking for ways to increase fitness.However, experts say that it has a role in maintaining energy levels to the brain, and have the theory that taking more creatine might actually improve mental performance.
Researchers from the University of Sydney and Macquarie University, also in Australia, tested this by giving creatine supplements to 45 young adult volunteers.
Vegetarians were used for the tests, mainly because meat in the diet is in itself a source of creatine, and it would be difficult to gauge exactly how much an individual had consumed.
Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power
Dr Caroline Rae, University of Sydney
The volunteers were split up and given either creatine or a "dummy" pill for periods of six weeks.Their ability to repeat back from memory long sequences of numbers was tested, and a general IQ test also given to the volunteers.
The researchers, led by Dr Caroline Rae found that the creatine supplements - at least in the short term - seemed to suggest a positive effect.
She said: "Both of these tests require fast brain power and the IQ test was conducted under time pressure.
"The results were clear with both our experimental groups and in both test scenarios.
"Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power."
The researchers found that subjects' ability to remember long numbers improved from a number length of approximately seven digits, to an average of 8.5.
Dr Rae believes that the creatine increases the amount of energy available to the brain for computational tasks, improving general mental ability.
Health risks?
Little is known about the long-term effects of taking creatine - there are reports of effects on blood sugar balance.
The supplement is also notorious for creating an unpleasant odour in the vicinity of the taker.
There is no evidence that the mental boost would continue over time, even if the patient carried on taking creatine for months rather than weeks.
Dr Rae said: "Creatine supplementation may be of use to those requiring boosted mental performance in the short term - for example university students."
The study was published in the Royal Society journal Proceedings B.
Posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:43:26
In reply to News - Creatine boosts brain power, posted by jrbecker on August 13, 2003, at 10:36:52
I should have mentioned that as with everything, there can be a down side to too much creatine supplementation. For one, it might make you a little irritable -- something we're all prone to to begin with:
"Long term supplementation with creatine has yet to be declared truly safe as there have been reported effects on glucose homeostasis (the regulation of blood sugar levels) and potential subjects with a medical history of diabetes were excluded from the experiment. In addition taking the supplement can have some antisocial effects. "To be frank taking the supplement can make you a considerably less 'fragrant' person," says Dr. Rae. "However creatine supplementation may be of use to those requiring boosted mental performance in the short term - for example university students."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030813070944.htm
> I know this has been an adjunct treatment for Huntington's (and of course for bodybuilders) for a while now, but now it looks like it might have wider applications...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3145223.stm
>
> Creatine 'boosts brain power'
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> The supplement is favoured by some athletes
> The dietary supplement creatine - known to improve athletic performance - can also boost memory and intelligence, researchers claim.
> Creatine is a natural compound found in muscle tissue, and has been popular with athletes looking for ways to increase fitness.
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> However, experts say that it has a role in maintaining energy levels to the brain, and have the theory that taking more creatine might actually improve mental performance.
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> Researchers from the University of Sydney and Macquarie University, also in Australia, tested this by giving creatine supplements to 45 young adult volunteers.
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> Vegetarians were used for the tests, mainly because meat in the diet is in itself a source of creatine, and it would be difficult to gauge exactly how much an individual had consumed.
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> Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power
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> Dr Caroline Rae, University of Sydney
> The volunteers were split up and given either creatine or a "dummy" pill for periods of six weeks.
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> Their ability to repeat back from memory long sequences of numbers was tested, and a general IQ test also given to the volunteers.
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> The researchers, led by Dr Caroline Rae found that the creatine supplements - at least in the short term - seemed to suggest a positive effect.
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> She said: "Both of these tests require fast brain power and the IQ test was conducted under time pressure.
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> "The results were clear with both our experimental groups and in both test scenarios.
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> "Creatine supplementation gave a significant measurable boost to brain power."
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> The researchers found that subjects' ability to remember long numbers improved from a number length of approximately seven digits, to an average of 8.5.
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> Dr Rae believes that the creatine increases the amount of energy available to the brain for computational tasks, improving general mental ability.
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> Health risks?
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> Little is known about the long-term effects of taking creatine - there are reports of effects on blood sugar balance.
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> The supplement is also notorious for creating an unpleasant odour in the vicinity of the taker.
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> There is no evidence that the mental boost would continue over time, even if the patient carried on taking creatine for months rather than weeks.
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> Dr Rae said: "Creatine supplementation may be of use to those requiring boosted mental performance in the short term - for example university students."
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> The study was published in the Royal Society journal Proceedings B.
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