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Posted by trauma queen on August 7, 2003, at 14:24:23
In reply to re: new to Lexapro AND babbling..., posted by mph-speedy on August 7, 2003, at 7:52:50
haha...
> Hey Trauma Queen -
>
> Whoa! is that a self imposed moniker or did someone else christine you?speedy...i like your name too...wish i *felt* that way...i remember reading you're a runner. So was I before I got myself into this mess...see what happens when you stop running!!!
Trauma Queen does me double duty...kind of an irony... I'm a trauma nurse and i love it... plus i've got all this DRAMA in my life...unwanted, unnecessary...
>Your experience getting there interests me and your concern about others thoughts on your "condition". I could have been where you were and probably would have had I waited a week or so to get treatment. As it is, only three people know I'm being treated - my doc, my boss (who is a friend), and my significant other (thought he should know in case I was in a car wreck or something). Anyway, here's a question to all -- how much do you share with family, friends, the world?
>
> SpeedyAt first, I wanted NO ONE to know, except for the few that my boyfriend called. But one of my close friends, who is like a brother to me and has had a lot of experience with things of this nature...he unwittingly told a couple close friends, so of course I'm worried word will get out amongst the nurses I know, and then eventually every hospital I happen to work at... they eat that stuff up!!! I worry for my job and my license, but I was Baker Acted, which is something they do in Florida when you attempt suicide or are unfit mentally...you basically have no rights...but it protects you because all information is kept confidential and therefore cannot be used against you. ...or so I was told...
So far, the few that know that are very close to me have been supportive, yet they kinda "slapped me on the hand" so to speak...saying..."don't ever do that again..." Like I had much of a say over my actions at that moment. No one, except my close friend mentioned above, knows what it's like to be THAT desperate, to honestly feel the world SHOULD go on w/out you, would be better for all concerned if you were not there to make such problems for everyone. Not even the girl I thought was my best friend would help me. After all was said and done, though, i knew who I could count on. AND, I knew what I did was VERY stupid, and I'm very thankful to God that it turned out the way it did.
And now, I'm thankful to this drug, for giving me a little sanity...but i've found that i'm not too much better...last night I cried like I did 2 wks ago...before I took MANY pills... it had to do with my boyfriend... He is so *incredible* in the way he can make me feel cared about one minute and then totally, amazingly, horrible the next. I have depended on his support thru this, but he still remains very self-centered (namely threatening to get a new girlfriend b/c he's not "getting any"). This coming from a 40 yr old with two small children...now I know why he's divorced... I can't believe his utter ignorance...I need to get away from him.
I've gone on too long...ranting, raving, venting! I appreciate your thoughtful replies...thank you so much...
Tari Anne
Posted by lil' jimi on August 7, 2003, at 16:09:17
In reply to re: new to Lexapro AND babbling... » lil' jimi, posted by trauma queen on August 7, 2003, at 13:56:30
Aw ... heck there, Tari Anne,
i like the way you write ... and you're sweet!
... and you are welcome, welcome, welcome ! !> lil Jimi...
>
> thank you for your kind welcome... i have especially enjoyed reading all you, Jimi, have to say with such amazing humor! I love when i can actually LOL to what people write...I am fond of your wittiness and awesome rapport with your fellow humankind... You go BOY! :)
>
>
> >.... .... "two weeks" says a lot about this to >me, because it might not be enough time yet
> > ... but it might be !
> > ... ... if i was deciding this right now for me
> > ... i'd wait a week and then titrate up
> > ... ... the stout-of-heart might bump up all the way
> >
> > ... but hey, that's me ... and i may be wrong
> > ... ... also. i've been talking myself into going up to 15 mg ... ... i might ! ... might not ... ...
> > ... so anyway, this dilemma may tinge my view of what you should do ... ... ... probably ... ... maybe not ...
> > ... wish i was better help ... ...
>
>
> Jimi...you are more help than you know. You lend validation to my dilemma because you are ALSO having the same dilemma. I have the same thoughts as you...wait it out...bump it up to 15mg.....maybe...maybe not. My actual worry is that I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE! And this one month of Lexapro cost me $75...BUT, we have a wonderful thing called "Discount Drugs of Canada" down here in South Florida and I think I will check their prices out. Plus I DON'T have a "pdoc" (love that abbreviation, by the way--should be added to Shar's lingo link) The pdoc that saw me in the mental health place could barely speak English, looked off into other directions when I was speaking with him for the first time and showed absolutely no respect or compassion towards me. It was horrible. I will definitely NOT be stopping the Lexapro though...it has really saved me...
>
> How long have you been at 10mg??
>
> thank you thank you thank you...
> Tari Anne... ... got to let me recover from blushing so much here ... gosh ! ... and thanks ...
i really feel for your dilemma with no insurance and having to pay for your care out of your pocket there ... ... my insurance makes my lexapro costs tolerable for me ... ... i haven't had a pdoc yet either ... ... i think i get some pity from folks who do have support from a psychiatrist or a therapist ... maybe ... ... winging it here without one has been okay for me, so far ... ...
i spent my first month at 5mg and then the last 4 months at 10mg ... ...
... ... so we ask oursleves:
hold what we got ?
Or
bump up ?now i have to agree with myself from our last message ... 2 weeks is barely enough time for your SEs to start to settle down, but Probably Not enough time for you to expect the full therapuetic benefits from Lexapro yet ... very specualtively on my part, i wouldn't expect you to have a real assessment of your lexapro's effects for several more weeks yet ... ...
now me?
... ... i don't yet have enough
.... .... dissatisfation
.... .... to make myself decide i need to try more than 10mg of lex
... ... 4 months
... but not enough complaints to make the leap to 15 mg ... yet ... ... ?... ... How's Peter doing out there?
... ... beyond 30 mg yet?Tari Anne, Peter & everyone ... ...
take care!!
~ jim
Posted by mph-speedy on August 8, 2003, at 12:47:26
In reply to Re: First few days on Lexapro » mph-speedy, posted by trucker on July 26, 2003, at 13:35:20
> if it were me in your shoes and the family past history i would enjoy the meds if you find one that makes you feel better. chances are if grandma had the meds we have she never would have been institutionalized. see ive been there done that with the post partum depression. my baby i caried 7 + months my only son, born dead. i was always a strong and happy go lucky person i could look death in the eye and carry on( had a death wish i guess) any way after the dead baby i had horrible post partum and the went straight in to post tramatic stress syndrom. raped at age three and beating by mommy dearest after words FOR I BROUGHT IT ON MYSELF DON'T YA KNOW... see at age three i still needed a little guidance in dressing my self. ( got shirts on inside out, backwards,etc... thats when any way that it happened) carried on the rest of life as well. thats enough of that. any way i tried to rough it out and damn near killed me and others because i couldn't funtions. yet i was afraid i was cracked if i took meds. 2 yrs went by and i got progressivly worse. DON'T DO THAT TO YOU AND YOURS. IF YOU CAN FIND A MED THAT MAKES YOU FEEL TEN PERCNT(PREFERABLY BETTER THAT THAT) BETTER YOU OWE IT TO YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY TO FELL BETTER AND HELP YOUR SELF. don't tell everyone though because not every one likes meds. they think you are cracked... when in actually they just don't know about meds. its afear they have about the unknown...
> take care and i hope you find one that makes you feel 100% better
>
> GOD BLESS
> trucker
>
> enjoy the meds... its legal drugs!!!Hey Trucker -
Just read back on your post, and after a couple more weeks of calm I see what you mean. I also am with you on the "sharing" part. I have always been a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" kind of gal, and at one time lacked compassion for those who might need such a "crutch". There but for the grace of god...right? Anyway, it all seems to be leveling out, excellent side effect is non-interest in alchohol self medication or other recreational drugs. Interesting.
Speedy
Posted by jrbecker on August 8, 2003, at 16:16:14
In reply to Re: dirurnal variation - jrbecker » BekkaH, posted by jrbecker on July 29, 2003, at 16:48:49
By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
Posted by Doug in PA on August 8, 2003, at 20:30:49
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering» BekkaH, posted by jrbecker on August 8, 2003, at 16:16:14
I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
Doug in PA
================================================> By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
>
> > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
>
>
Posted by BekkaH on August 9, 2003, at 0:27:04
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering» BekkaH, posted by jrbecker on August 8, 2003, at 16:16:14
Hi jrbecker,
Thanks so much for the information! By the way, I read somewhere that exercise suppresses melatonin for about 12 or more hours. In the past, you've discussed your circadian phase shift, and I wonder whether you've ever tried exercising in the morning, every day for a few weeks? I find that the later I exercise, the later I stay awake at night. I'm going to try to go back to exercising in the morning and see whether that helps my delayed sleep phase.
Bekka
Posted by downbutnotout on August 9, 2003, at 10:02:10
In reply to re: new to Lexapro AND babbling... » trauma queen, posted by lil' jimi on August 7, 2003, at 1:49:28
Hi!
I've just been diagnosed with depression, although I think I've been fighting with it for a very long time. My doctor put me on 10mg of Lexapro beginning two days ago. I'm already starting to feel better. I noticed that if I take the meds at 7am I have a good upward swing in mid-afternoon and then come back down in the evening. Is this normal? Or am I just imagining it?
Also, I have just had a weird experience with mis-diagnosis and I was wondering if anyone else out there went through any of this. Five years ago I went to a doctor with complaints of aching muscles, extreme tiredness, mood swings. They took a blood test and told me I was hypothyroid. I went on Synthroid for three years. Because my muscle aches continued, they also diagnosed me as having fibromyalgia.
I quit my teaching job three years ago (I just couldn't do it anymore - isn't that sad? But that's not a story for here!) so I lost my insurance. I quit taking my thyroid meds two years ago because of having no insurance. Now I have insurance and returned to the doctor as my old symptoms were starting to reappear and I was having chest pain. This doctor told me that according to his blood-test I am not hypothyroid and that it has "healed". He also didn't think I have fibromyalgia, but that the muscle pain was a symptom of something else (depression?).
He put me on Lexapro for depression (which I definately have.) Has anyone else had a similar experience? I'm thinking that this has been depression all along. Do you think that is possible?
Thanks!
Posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 10:46:25
In reply to New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by downbutnotout on August 9, 2003, at 10:02:10
Hello,
I started taking Lexapro 10mg about 5 weeks ago, and right away I noticed a big difference in myself. I was in closet depression as I like to call it. Nobody around me knew I was depressed. They had no clue I was so unhappy and could not get through a day without crying. When I thought of dying all the time I knew it was time to get help. My doctor put me on Lexapro because she said the side effects were suppose to be less than all the rest. At first I was nausea, but that subsided. Now the only side effects I have is extreme fatigue, I could sleep all day, and I never had that problem before. I just dont care about anything any more. I have to make myself do things. I have no sexual desire what so ever and cannot reach an orgasim. I have gained weight. I laugh that all I feel like doing is sleeping and eating. But I have tremendous amount of insomnia when I do go to bed. What are your thoughts on this? Was thinking of asking my Dr. to put me on Wellbutrin? Do you all think this would help with the side effects. I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
Thanks
Posted by BLKVETTES on August 9, 2003, at 11:37:10
In reply to New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by downbutnotout on August 9, 2003, at 10:02:10
> Hi!
>
> I've just been diagnosed with depression, although I think I've been fighting with it for a very long time. My doctor put me on 10mg of Lexapro beginning two days ago. I'm already starting to feel better. I noticed that if I take the meds at 7am I have a good upward swing in mid-afternoon and then come back down in the evening. Is this normal? Or am I just imagining it?
>
> Also, I have just had a weird experience with mis-diagnosis and I was wondering if anyone else out there went through any of this. Five years ago I went to a doctor with complaints of aching muscles, extreme tiredness, mood swings. They took a blood test and told me I was hypothyroid. I went on Synthroid for three years. Because my muscle aches continued, they also diagnosed me as having fibromyalgia.
>
> I quit my teaching job three years ago (I just couldn't do it anymore - isn't that sad? But that's not a story for here!) so I lost my insurance. I quit taking my thyroid meds two years ago because of having no insurance. Now I have insurance and returned to the doctor as my old symptoms were starting to reappear and I was having chest pain. This doctor told me that according to his blood-test I am not hypothyroid and that it has "healed". He also didn't think I have fibromyalgia, but that the muscle pain was a symptom of something else (depression?).
>
> He put me on Lexapro for depression (which I definately have.) Has anyone else had a similar experience? I'm thinking that this has been depression all along. Do you think that is possible?
>
> Thanks!Hi, its possible to feel better in the first week. But it usually takes 4 to 8 weeks. Muscle aches ans pains are possible. Here is a link below. TAKE CARE!!!
WAYNE
http://www.familyaware.org/resources/symptoms.asp
Posted by BLKVETTES on August 9, 2003, at 11:45:05
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 10:46:25
> Hello,
>
> I started taking Lexapro 10mg about 5 weeks ago, and right away I noticed a big difference in myself. I was in closet depression as I like to call it. Nobody around me knew I was depressed. They had no clue I was so unhappy and could not get through a day without crying. When I thought of dying all the time I knew it was time to get help. My doctor put me on Lexapro because she said the side effects were suppose to be less than all the rest. At first I was nausea, but that subsided. Now the only side effects I have is extreme fatigue, I could sleep all day, and I never had that problem before. I just dont care about anything any more. I have to make myself do things. I have no sexual desire what so ever and cannot reach an orgasim. I have gained weight. I laugh that all I feel like doing is sleeping and eating. But I have tremendous amount of insomnia when I do go to bed. What are your thoughts on this? Was thinking of asking my Dr. to put me on Wellbutrin? Do you all think this would help with the side effects. I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> Thanks
>Hi there, my depression went away in the 5 to 6 week range. I to was tired all day and could not sleep at night. That never made any sense to me. I tried switching the times I took it and nothing worked. I dont remember the timing but between 2 and 3 months my body finally adjusted and the tiredness and sleep problems went away. Believe it or not 5 weeks is not very long. You just have to motivate yourself the best you can. I hope everything goes away like it did for me. TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by galkeepinon on August 9, 2003, at 16:39:57
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 10:46:25
>>>>>I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5 weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
May I please get in on this. I started Lexapro a week ago and I am doing quite well on it too, have you gained weight from it? I gained weight from all the other SSRI's except Celexa which I know Lex is an isomer of Celexa??? You are on Lexapro now??? Are you okay with it? I'm a little confused as to whether you are happy with Lexapro or want to change? I hope you feel better.
Please reply,
Gal
> Hello,
>
> I started taking Lexapro 10mg about 5 weeks ago, and right away I noticed a big difference in myself. I was in closet depression as I like to call it. Nobody around me knew I was depressed. They had no clue I was so unhappy and could not get through a day without crying. When I thought of dying all the time I knew it was time to get help. My doctor put me on Lexapro because she said the side effects were suppose to be less than all the rest. At first I was nausea, but that subsided. Now the only side effects I have is extreme fatigue, I could sleep all day, and I never had that problem before. I just dont care about anything any more. I have to make myself do things. I have no sexual desire what so ever and cannot reach an orgasim. I have gained weight. I laugh that all I feel like doing is sleeping and eating. But I have tremendous amount of insomnia when I do go to bed. What are your thoughts on this? Was thinking of asking my Dr. to put me on Wellbutrin? Do you all think this would help with the side effects. I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> Thanks
>
Posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 16:46:11
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression » OceanMist, posted by galkeepinon on August 9, 2003, at 16:39:57
No I do not want to switch from it, Just I have seen others stating that you can take Wellbutrin also to curb the side effects. I am hoping this is true.
Yes I have gained weight, only because I am not so mobile, all I do is eat or sleep when I am not working. All I think about is eating or sleeping.
I forgot about the jaw clinching as well, but that is getting better.
Hope this helps. Nice to know others out here are going through what I am feeling.
Took me forever to find a forum that has Lexapro on it.
> >>>>>I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5 weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> May I please get in on this. I started Lexapro a week ago and I am doing quite well on it too, have you gained weight from it? I gained weight from all the other SSRI's except Celexa which I know Lex is an isomer of Celexa??? You are on Lexapro now??? Are you okay with it? I'm a little confused as to whether you are happy with Lexapro or want to change? I hope you feel better.
> Please reply,
> Gal
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I started taking Lexapro 10mg about 5 weeks ago, and right away I noticed a big difference in myself. I was in closet depression as I like to call it. Nobody around me knew I was depressed. They had no clue I was so unhappy and could not get through a day without crying. When I thought of dying all the time I knew it was time to get help. My doctor put me on Lexapro because she said the side effects were suppose to be less than all the rest. At first I was nausea, but that subsided. Now the only side effects I have is extreme fatigue, I could sleep all day, and I never had that problem before. I just dont care about anything any more. I have to make myself do things. I have no sexual desire what so ever and cannot reach an orgasim. I have gained weight. I laugh that all I feel like doing is sleeping and eating. But I have tremendous amount of insomnia when I do go to bed. What are your thoughts on this? Was thinking of asking my Dr. to put me on Wellbutrin? Do you all think this would help with the side effects. I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
Posted by galkeepinon on August 9, 2003, at 17:11:59
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 16:46:11
((((hug))))hang in there, I've been through the medication route for years and finally had to try something totally new-the Lexapro. I'm glad that you found this board to help you find support and info about Lexapro:)
I do know that Wellbutrin can cause anxiety in some-maybe it's energy? I love to eat too LOL and I clench my jaw sometimes-I guess you could say I'm a Type A personality *shrugs*
All the best to you,
Gal> No I do not want to switch from it, Just I have seen others stating that you can take Wellbutrin also to curb the side effects. I am hoping this is true.
> Yes I have gained weight, only because I am not so mobile, all I do is eat or sleep when I am not working. All I think about is eating or sleeping.
> I forgot about the jaw clinching as well, but that is getting better.
> Hope this helps. Nice to know others out here are going through what I am feeling.
> Took me forever to find a forum that has Lexapro on it.
>
>
> > >>>>>I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5 weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> > May I please get in on this. I started Lexapro a week ago and I am doing quite well on it too, have you gained weight from it? I gained weight from all the other SSRI's except Celexa which I know Lex is an isomer of Celexa??? You are on Lexapro now??? Are you okay with it? I'm a little confused as to whether you are happy with Lexapro or want to change? I hope you feel better.
> > Please reply,
> > Gal
Posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 19:08:49
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering, posted by Doug in PA on August 8, 2003, at 20:30:49
Doug,
to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
Good luck.
> I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> Doug in PA
> ================================================
>
> > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> >
> > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 19:16:46
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering - jrbecker, posted by BekkaH on August 9, 2003, at 0:27:04
I have never been disciplined enough to give exercising in the morning an adequate trial. I do it occasionally. But doing it everyday would be very tough. I think you're right in that it would eventually get easier. But I've been told by some sleep experts that exercising at the peak of the day is actually the most beneficial for you in terms of feeling sleepier earlier. I don't know if this logic works for atypical depressives though. Perhaps exercising in the morning would make more sense. It's just so damn hard to do -- talk about motivation. Perhaps I can pull it off eventually.
Good luck with the morning routine. I'm optimistic that you'll see some good results. Let me know how it goes.
JB
> Hi jrbecker,
>
> Thanks so much for the information! By the way, I read somewhere that exercise suppresses melatonin for about 12 or more hours. In the past, you've discussed your circadian phase shift, and I wonder whether you've ever tried exercising in the morning, every day for a few weeks? I find that the later I exercise, the later I stay awake at night. I'm going to try to go back to exercising in the morning and see whether that helps my delayed sleep phase.
>
> Bekka
Posted by trauma queen on August 9, 2003, at 19:24:14
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by OceanMist on August 9, 2003, at 16:46:11
To Ocean Mist, Gal, downbutnotout...
Sorry...a tad on the long side!!
Holy moly...I never knew I was part of quads separated at birth...
No really...you guys pretty much all describe EXACTLY how I feel...it's close to creepy! I, myself, started on Lexapro almost 3 weeks ago. First week...felt instantly better, even estatic! BUT BUT BUT...had the skin crawling feeling, that underlying anxiety, MUSCLE ACHES. You know what it reminded me of??? Coming down off of X. Now I'm a nurse, and used to go out and party wild with other nurses...and we loved our party drugs. But being ICU nurses, we were all quite interested in how they truly affect your body. X basically gives you a rush of Serotonin, and even Dopamine and Norepinephrine. Knowing what we know about these neurotransmitters explained the hot flashes, cold extremities (we were "clamping down" as we call it--less blood to extremities...more to organs) Also, Magnesium is depleted...which causes the muscle aches and teeth clenching afterwards. We would often supplement ourselves w/Mg++ to prevent that. Plus dehydration can also cause that.
So, after starting Lexapro...and feeling like I was having a post-ecstasy side effects, I realized that due to the Serotonin Reuptake Inhibition that is going on...this must have something to do with it... I am not completely well versed in the exact physiological happenings as JrBecker and others may be...I have a rudimentary understanding of it...
My thought is to take Mag supplements (I have heard NOT Mg Oxide) and a daily vitamin, and stay hydrated. The muscle aches come and go for me...
NOW...I ALSO have been EXTREMELY LETHARGIC!! Holy moly...sleeping more than 12 hrs a day!! I have had NO motivation whatsoever. BUT, I haven't been depressed. Until recently...had a little extra stress in my life, and I cried, was feeling really down and it scared me!! But then last night I sat there, thinking...I need to get thru this...I need to not pity myself, or my friends aren't going to want to be around me. And I really need my friends right now. Last night, all of a sudden, something happened and today I feel incredible! I feel like I CAN DO IT! I went out, got a planner, wrote in my journal, watched some movies... have been unpacking and putting things away (just moved). It's wild. I think the Lexapro may be kicking in...but alas it's only been under 3 weeks. So we'll see...
I've received some excellent advice, from Jimi...and also have been reading what Wayne says...and I think -- You just gotta HANG IN THERE. Give the Lexapro a chance to work. It's giving me my life back...I can't express how happy I am about that... I think patience is key.
Now...to downbutnotout... I'm baffled about your apparent hypothyroidism. I looked in my nursing books to see if a "temporary hypothyroidism" could be possible. I read that, when hypothroidism occurs in adults, it is usually due to destruction of the thyroid gland by radiation (on purpose--due to HYPER-thyroidism). But I also read it can develop when one has eaten excessive amounts of "goitrogens"...namely, turnips, rutabagas, soybeans, skins of peanuts. There are also drugs that can inhibit the thyroid... AND, if you don't have enough iodine in your diet (from salt).
Now...the side effects/manifestations of hypothroidism are mental sluggishness, inattentiveness, memory loss, lethargy--basically appearing depressed. However, looking depressed and BEING depressed are two different things...depression causes you to have negative thoughts, sadness, anxiety, thoughts of dying, low self-esteem... could depression possibly cause your pituitary gland to send out less TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) and possibly lower your thyroid levels????? At the time they drew your blood and told you you were hypothryroid--were you actually FEELING depressed??? USUALLY--once a person is hypothyroid, it is due to destruction of the thyroid gland for whatever reason (atrophy, radiation) and they are on Synthroid for LIFE...you can't be "cured". SO--I am BAFFLED!!!
I DO relate ALSO to your "closet depression"--I am the same way... I'm a Gemini...I like to be an outwardly jovial character. I don't want people to know that I'm truly in pain. But I got to the point where I was so incredibly sad...I didn't know *HOW* to let people know I needed help. And it was a slow transition from my happy me, to my very sad me...people hardly noticed unless they really thought about how I had changed.
Okay...I could go on forever...but I hope the above sheds some kind of light...maybe...maybe not... All of this has truly made my day...I know I'm not alone in my craziness...and that's comforting.
Please take care...Tari Anne
> No I do not want to switch from it, Just I have seen others stating that you can take Wellbutrin also to curb the side effects. I am hoping this is true.
> Yes I have gained weight, only because I am not so mobile, all I do is eat or sleep when I am not working. All I think about is eating or sleeping.
> I forgot about the jaw clinching as well, but that is getting better.
> Hope this helps. Nice to know others out here are going through what I am feeling.
> Took me forever to find a forum that has Lexapro on it.
>
>
> > >>>>>I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5 weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> > May I please get in on this. I started Lexapro a week ago and I am doing quite well on it too, have you gained weight from it? I gained weight from all the other SSRI's except Celexa which I know Lex is an isomer of Celexa??? You are on Lexapro now??? Are you okay with it? I'm a little confused as to whether you are happy with Lexapro or want to change? I hope you feel better.
> > Please reply,
> > Gal
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I started taking Lexapro 10mg about 5 weeks ago, and right away I noticed a big difference in myself. I was in closet depression as I like to call it. Nobody around me knew I was depressed. They had no clue I was so unhappy and could not get through a day without crying. When I thought of dying all the time I knew it was time to get help. My doctor put me on Lexapro because she said the side effects were suppose to be less than all the rest. At first I was nausea, but that subsided. Now the only side effects I have is extreme fatigue, I could sleep all day, and I never had that problem before. I just dont care about anything any more. I have to make myself do things. I have no sexual desire what so ever and cannot reach an orgasim. I have gained weight. I laugh that all I feel like doing is sleeping and eating. But I have tremendous amount of insomnia when I do go to bed. What are your thoughts on this? Was thinking of asking my Dr. to put me on Wellbutrin? Do you all think this would help with the side effects. I know that Lexapro has helped me tremendously. I have not cried once in 5weeks. I am starting to wonder if I could.
> > > Thanks
> > >
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Posted by downbutnotout on August 9, 2003, at 19:55:51
In reply to Re: New to meds/acknowledging depression, posted by trauma queen on August 9, 2003, at 19:24:14
>
>
> Now...to downbutnotout... I'm baffled about your apparent hypothyroidism. I looked in my nursing books to see if a "temporary hypothyroidism" could be possible. I read that, when hypothroidism occurs in adults, it is usually due to destruction of the thyroid gland by radiation (on purpose--due to HYPER-thyroidism). But I also read it can develop when one has eaten excessive amounts of "goitrogens"...namely, turnips, rutabagas, soybeans, skins of peanuts. There are also drugs that can inhibit the thyroid... AND, if you don't have enough iodine in your diet (from salt).
>
> Now...the side effects/manifestations of hypothroidism are mental sluggishness, inattentiveness, memory loss, lethargy--basically appearing depressed. However, looking depressed and BEING depressed are two different things...depression causes you to have negative thoughts, sadness, anxiety, thoughts of dying, low self-esteem... could depression possibly cause your pituitary gland to send out less TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) and possibly lower your thyroid levels????? At the time they drew your blood and told you you were hypothryroid--were you actually FEELING depressed??? USUALLY--once a person is hypothyroid, it is due to destruction of the thyroid gland for whatever reason (atrophy, radiation) and they are on Synthroid for LIFE...you can't be "cured". SO--I am BAFFLED!!!
>
> I DO relate ALSO to your "closet depression"--I am the same way... I'm a Gemini...I like to be an outwardly jovial character. I don't want people to know that I'm truly in pain. But I got to the point where I was so incredibly sad...I didn't know *HOW* to let people know I needed help. And it was a slow transition from my happy me, to my very sad me...people hardly noticed unless they really thought about how I had changed.
>
TariAnn:Thanks so much for your input. I sure do appreciate it from everyone! Thanks too for looking up that hypothyroid business for me. I was told by the previous doctors that I'd be on Synthroid for life. When I started the Synthroid I was not as depressed as I am now but I think I was depressed. I too think that there is some funny chemistry going on in my body and the thyroid numbers will change as my depression improves. It'll be interesting to see what happens! I love my new doctor and can't believe that he read me so well so fast. He's a real gem.
> > Hope this helps. Nice to know others out here are going through what I am feeling.
> > Took me forever to find a forum that has Lexapro on it.
> >
Posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 21:08:04
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 19:08:49
What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
Doug in PA
Doug,
>
> to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
>
> I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
>
> The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
>
> If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
>
> Good luck.
>
> > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > Doug in PA
> > ================================================
> >
> > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > >
> > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 22:04:10
In reply to Re: B12 dosage rejiggering, posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 21:08:04
you've never noticed any short-term memory loss when taking antidepressants? This is a minor complaint of some, including myself. But it's hard to distinguish the underlying depression memory-deficits from the short-term memory loss that may be caused by antidepressants. So what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that your memory issues are worsened by the Lexapro. The best person to surmise that is you.
If you do a google search of past threads (remember to have dr-bob.org contained in the search), you'll probably run across some posts about lexapro and memory to get some more background. I don't know what else to tell you besides that perhaps this warrants a discussion with your doc. You have lots of other choices in ADs if you feel that Lexapro is actually causing some issues.
> What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
>
> Doug in PA
>
> Doug,
> >
> > to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
> >
> > I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
> >
> > The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
> >
> > If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > > Doug in PA
> > > ================================================
> > >
> > > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > > >
> > > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 22:25:33
In reply to Re: Lex and memory » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 9, 2003, at 22:04:10
I have been on antidepressants for so many years I have forgotten what a good memory is like. "The older I get, the better I was." I just dont know any more. Though I dont have anything to die for, I also have nothing to live for. I just live day to miserable day. I honestly believe that it sucks to be me. When I get up in the morning I am already looking forward to going to bed at night. Antidepressant can do just so much. If your life is a bore than pills wont help the negative things that are in your life. This is how I feel even after two months on Lexapro 10mg.
Doug in PA
==========================================> you've never noticed any short-term memory loss when taking antidepressants? This is a minor complaint of some, including myself. But it's hard to distinguish the underlying depression memory-deficits from the short-term memory loss that may be caused by antidepressants. So what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that your memory issues are worsened by the Lexapro. The best person to surmise that is you.
>
> If you do a google search of past threads (remember to have dr-bob.org contained in the search), you'll probably run across some posts about lexapro and memory to get some more background. I don't know what else to tell you besides that perhaps this warrants a discussion with your doc. You have lots of other choices in ADs if you feel that Lexapro is actually causing some issues.
>
>
> > What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
> >
> > Doug in PA
> >
> > Doug,
> > >
> > > to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
> > >
> > > I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
> > >
> > > The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
> > >
> > > If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > > > Doug in PA
> > > > ================================================
> > > >
> > > > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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Posted by tm on August 10, 2003, at 6:59:25
In reply to Re: Lex and memory, posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 22:25:33
I doubt that you remember so a brief summary. Started lex the last week of April and have been on Xanax longer than that. I have been on 20 mg of lex for most of the time and still take .5 Xanax 4 x a day. My anxiety problems started the first week in March. I started with Paxil and did not like the SE's. My problem is that I have good weeks with no problems and no axiety thoughts. Then I will get week or so that a little Axiety creeps back in, I can hide it and nobody knows. I start to have slight sleeping problems, I wake up several times early in the morning. In know way do I suffer like I did when I first started with anxiety. Do you have any ideas? I go back to the pdoc the Sept. 3. Don't want do go through a med change!! Does anyone else expierence this? Thanks!
Tim
Posted by jrbecker on August 10, 2003, at 12:54:31
In reply to Re: Lex and memory, posted by Doug in PA on August 9, 2003, at 22:25:33
whoa! now we're getting somewhere -- so the memory issue is not the only outstanding one. Doug, I know all of us have issues with staying optimistic, but you're following statements don't make me believe that you're anywhere satisfied with your current treatment. It's sounds like you're at sort of a low point, at least in terms of your outlook.
You need some more support man. Are you leveraging all available means of treatment (e.g., talk therapy, exercise, supplements, relaxation techniques). As for the meds, I think it's time to talk to your doc about whether Lexapro is the right fit. Stay proactive and hang in there. Try to hone in on the times in the past where things we're good. Know that you can re-capture that again and make it stick. Stay motivated towards treatment, keep a positive outlook, and most importantly, -->>educate yourself exhaustively on this condition<<--.All the best, and do stay in touch.
JB
> I have been on antidepressants for so many years I have forgotten what a good memory is like. "The older I get, the better I was." I just dont know any more. Though I dont have anything to die for, I also have nothing to live for. I just live day to miserable day. I honestly believe that it sucks to be me. When I get up in the morning I am already looking forward to going to bed at night. Antidepressant can do just so much. If your life is a bore than pills wont help the negative things that are in your life. This is how I feel even after two months on Lexapro 10mg.
> Doug in PA
> ==========================================
>
> > you've never noticed any short-term memory loss when taking antidepressants? This is a minor complaint of some, including myself. But it's hard to distinguish the underlying depression memory-deficits from the short-term memory loss that may be caused by antidepressants. So what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that your memory issues are worsened by the Lexapro. The best person to surmise that is you.
> >
> > If you do a google search of past threads (remember to have dr-bob.org contained in the search), you'll probably run across some posts about lexapro and memory to get some more background. I don't know what else to tell you besides that perhaps this warrants a discussion with your doc. You have lots of other choices in ADs if you feel that Lexapro is actually causing some issues.
> >
> >
> > > What do you mean by "antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues." ????? Can they cause worse memory loss?? I have a technical job that requires that I remember technical "stuff" and my boss has already commented that he is disappointed in my knowledge base. At my age I cant afford to be out of a job.
> > >
> > > Doug in PA
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > > >
> > > > to answer your question directly, I have not noticed that the B12 has improved my memory. As I mentioned, I take it mostly for energy. But perhaps it does to a small degree, just by boosting my energy level itself. OK, yes, it probably gives me a small benefit memory-wise. Of course, so does caffeine, when I answer it that way.
> > > >
> > > > I know what you mean about memory problems though. Even at 26, my memory seems to be sub-par. Of course, this is definitely one of the calling-cards of depression. If you're familiar with the etiology behind the condition, it implicates the hippocampus in the brain, which is also the seat of memory. Fortunately, antidepressants have been found to help regenerate functioning of the hippocampus, and by result, hopefully restore some of our memory capacity.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030807/msgs/249195.html
> > > >
> > > > The catch-22 of course is that antidepressants themselves cause their own memory issues. And I just thought I'd mention that, personally, Lexapro was the worst offender in this arena out of all the SSRIs. But if it's working, then isn't it worth it?
> > > >
> > > > If you want to try the B12, I would definitely suggest the "brain-form," the methylcobalamin version. And yes, you would probably need to see that written on the bottle. Is it worth a trip to the store? I don't know. We're all different in terms of seeing benefits from supplements. All's I can say is it's working for me in terms of increased energy.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > > I just came across your B12 post and I have a question after this bit of history. About a year ago I went to a doctor for noticable and measurable memory loss. Blood tests showed that I had a marginally low B12 level. I do not have alzheimers and am also taking Lexapro for depression. I am currently taking 1000mcg of B12 daily. I am 62 years old but seriously look in the mid fourties. As the old saying goes..."Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most". Do you think that B12 really helps memory??? It is affecting my job. I am disappointed that I have not seen any improvement in the past year. Does this "methylcobalamin" appear on the lable??? It is not on mine. Do you think a trip to a GNC store would be in order and what do I look for??? Any feed back on memory and B12 will be appreciated.
> > > > > Doug in PA
> > > > > ================================================
> > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, I just thought I'd let you know that I recently doubled the dosage of B12 to a total of 10,000 mcg by taking another pill at lunchtime. Just wanted to let you know that I definitely feel an enhanced effect energy-wise, and perhaps slightly in terms of mood. To note though, it is the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is the form most known to cross the blood-brain barrier. You probably can't find this at every drug store, so you might have to go to a specialty health food store.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I take 5,000 mcg of methylcobalamin B12 in the form of a sublingual lozenge (dissolves within a minute under the tongue) at breakfast. I'd recommend trying 2,000 mcg to see if it has any benefit. The reason I take 5,000 is only because the tablet comes in that dosage. I have thought of experimenting with a second dose at lunch, but have not gotten around to it yet. It's not stimulating at all, so you shouldn't have any concern with taking too much, your body will just get rid of the excess anyways (since it's water-soluble).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Posted by BLKVETTES on August 10, 2003, at 13:05:31
In reply to Wayne Or anyone I have a question, posted by tm on August 10, 2003, at 6:59:25
> I doubt that you remember so a brief summary. Started lex the last week of April and have been on Xanax longer than that. I have been on 20 mg of lex for most of the time and still take .5 Xanax 4 x a day. My anxiety problems started the first week in March. I started with Paxil and did not like the SE's. My problem is that I have good weeks with no problems and no axiety thoughts. Then I will get week or so that a little Axiety creeps back in, I can hide it and nobody knows. I start to have slight sleeping problems, I wake up several times early in the morning. In know way do I suffer like I did when I first started with anxiety. Do you have any ideas? I go back to the pdoc the Sept. 3. Don't want do go through a med change!! Does anyone else expierence this? Thanks!
> Tim
>Hi Tim, this is just from my experience and dont know if it will happen with you. My depression went away in about 6 to 7 weeks pretty much for good. The anxiety was a different story. It started going away around the 7 week time mark. It slowly got better over time and I do mean slowly. I to had those days where there would be no anxiety and then a few days of what I call mild anxiety that was more of a nuisance than anything. My sleep patterns would change from sleeping good to waking up constantly to insomnia and back and forth. Im not going to lie it must have taken me a good 5 months for what I would say for it to leave pretty much for good. I no longer take xanax except for a little before bedtime. The goal would be to wean off the xanax at some point. After awhile your body builds up a tolerance to the xanax and it does not have the same effect. If possible only take it when you need it. Others on different boards take more than you. There is a new xanax that is more potent and stays in the body longer. We are all so different but getting rid of the anxiety is a real SOB. Thats about all I can say I guess it just takes a lot of time. At one time I was so bad I could not leave the house or be left alone so I hope that gives you hope!!!!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by Doug in PA on August 10, 2003, at 13:56:48
In reply to Re: » Doug in PA, posted by jrbecker on August 10, 2003, at 12:54:31
HI. Thanks for the post.
Oh I know there is more going on here, but I just cant seem to get on top of it. I was divorced 22 years ago at age 40. Except for 4 fine ladies in all that time, I have come home to an empty house and slept alone about 7 thousand nights. I have eaten 22,000 meals alone in the last 20 years. This is the main thing going on...lonelyness to the point where it becomes a physical pain. I am well educated and have been told that I am (moderately) attractive and look nowhere near my age. I have joined many clubs and organizations in order to socialize but to little avail. Everyone thinks that I am a happy go lucky guy and they never guess that I am totally down in the dumps. Never seem to meet the right woman. Those interesting ones I do meet are either married or 30+ years my junior. Being diagnosed with coranary artery desease and a totally clogged right artery 6 years ago was the "coup de gras" for me being optimistic. This post is one of the few times that I have opened up. Phychologists provide no help or comfort either. I tried religion for a while only to find that the more that I learned about all organized religion, the more that I thought it was just one big joke. I have just about given up all hope of ever being happy again. I cant pull myself up by my bootstraps when all the weight on my back keeps me down.Doug in PA
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Posted by Rich B on August 11, 2003, at 14:00:06
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
At least for me, withdrawal from Lexapro was far worse than withdrawal from Paxil. Maybe it’s because I was only on Paxil for a couple of months and I was on Lexapro for about 8 months. Either way, here is the lowdown. With Paxil, I weaned myself off it for a couple of weeks. During the weaning process, I was miserable. The dizziness was the main problem. Once I stopped totally, the dizziness stopped almost completely. With Lexapro, the dizziness wasn't bad the entire I time I was cutting back, but as soon as I would stop, the dizziness would kick in. Accompanying the dizziness was EXTREME fatigue, lethargy, and depression (which was never a problem for me).
Stopping cold turkey is not recommended. I did that right off the back and the symptoms were unbearable. I tried twice to wean myself off, and each time, after I stopped, I had to go back on because I had some weekend thing going on that I could not attend feeling like I was. I guess I should have planned my weaning process a little better.UPDATE:
I totally stopped a little over a week ago. Friday Aug 1st was the last day I took it. The dizziness is finally starting to get better. I still have it, but it is not too bad and is getting better every day. I went to an amusement park on Saturday and rode the rides all afternoon and was OK. After all that walking and standing I did, I was completely drained and exhausted all day on Sunday. I wonder if my withdrawal played a part. Overall, it took a week (after the weaning process and then stopping completely) to finally start feeling a little better. I'll let you all know when the withdrawal is over.Rich
P.S. - Lexapro was a better SSRI for me that Paxil was because the regular side effects were much better with Lexapro that they were with Paxil. With Paxil, I was wayyy to tired all the time. With Lexapro, the tiredness was not as bad. The sexual side effects were also worse with Paxil.
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