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Posted by lil' jimi on July 16, 2003, at 15:39:45
In reply to Re: alcohol versus lexapro, posted by Doug in PA on July 16, 2003, at 4:26:00
hi there, Doug in PA,
you wrote to wingdalean:
> I am not sure I understand your last comment about being a Christian. What is your point? Are you ashamed or proud of it? Would it have been any different if you were a Jew or athiest? Your problems would still be the same. Look into your own heart for solutions or poisons. God helps those who help themselves.
> ========================================replying to wingdalean's post:
> > Synopsis: after 25 years of abstinence & 8 years of wellbutrin I switched to Lexapro for OCPD - I then proceed to begin drinking alcohol since April. Almost daily between 4 & 12 oz of whiskey or the equivalent. Paradox is I feel better emotionally then I have ever. Physically I used to be a highly obsessive athetic who was OCDed in every aspect of living. I am only concerned about the relationship of my wife & I. I am also a Christian. I don't really know what to say I just wanted to share this.
>
>you know, Doug,
i don't know wingdalean from adam, BUT ... ...if i was writing here with his synopsis and i'm living the tale it tells
... ... (and i think that between the lines it reads very loudly, "I'M DESPARATE!!") ... ...(with my apologies and all due respect to wingdalean ... we'll go over your path to destruction below)
... and when folks get as desparate as a lot of us are when we come here ... for the kind of reasons we come here ... ... or as desperate as wingdalean should be ....
.. ... ... and come here looking for help and support and advise ...
.... then, imho, it makes a certain sense to me that they might invoke any means of control or restraint or discipline, including their faith ... i would even think it all the more likely that, under such circumstances, they would bring up their religion ...
(of course, in the good dr.dbob's wisdom, there's the Faith board for those specific discussions about religion ... but wing's was a comment not a subject)
i also sense that wingdalean is citing his motivations and priorites in his concern about alcohol: he is committed, and devout ... i can hardly imagine anything less trivial than those facts when one struggles, or is about to, with recovery ... ... i feel this is why wingdalean offered them to us as background ... ...
... and when folks come here and open themselves up to share their private and personal sufferings and experiences, i would think it would be better if we let them feel free to share their beliefs ... ...
Now, WingDaLean,
Sorry to talk around you like that, pardner ... ... just felt like i had to stick up for you a little bit ... for what it's worth, i'm a buddhist and i don't drink alcohol much at all ... ... well, nothing compared to what you're doing anyway ...you are telling us that after 25 years you have fallen off the water-wagon and this may have been part of switching from Wellbutrin to Lexapro ... ... and it is rather more like you Dived Off the wagon there, from these quantities you're talking ... ...
so:
(what is OCPD? ... OCD i know ... ocpd? ... hmmm)how much of your synopsis does you Doctor know?
you should, of course, be checking with your professional health care provider about this very serious Side-Effect ....what does your Wife think of this change in your habits? ... Does She know?
(inside yourself, what does your faith tell you?)
i think we may safely predict the response from everyone concerned for you .... can't we? ... ... and i'm going to give you the same response here, now ... ...
WingDaLean, ol' buddy, don't we all think it about time to mosey on over to our soonest AA meeting? ... hey, maybe?
.. ... .. at least, for your marriage?
seems to me that drinking (that much) alcohol while taking an AD, is going be about as effective as p*ss*ng into the wind ... ... alcohol, in case we all haven't heard, is a major depressant ... which is going to undo everything good your lexapro (anti-depressant) does for your neurotransmitters ...
TAKE CARE!!
~ jimp.s. of course, i may be all wrong ... ...
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 16, 2003, at 19:55:16
In reply to re: alcohol versus lexapro, posted by lil' jimi on July 16, 2003, at 15:39:45
> it makes a certain sense to me that they might invoke any means of control or restraint or discipline, including their faith ...
>
> (of course, in the good dr.dbob's wisdom, there's the Faith board for those specific discussions about religion ... but wing's was a comment not a subject)Yes, and I'd like any follow-ups regarding faith to be redirected there, thanks.
Bob
Posted by sandiegogal on July 16, 2003, at 20:17:30
In reply to re: second appointment » oldhand, posted by lil' jimi on July 14, 2003, at 21:50:19
I have read all the posts from the beginning and am very grateful to have found this site. I have had depression for many years and tried many anti depressants over the years but experienced such irritating side effects that i could never benefit from the therapeutic dose. For about 6 years now i have been "managing" my depression with therapy, exercise, 12 step meetings, and spiritual readings but i know in my heart i cannot manage the depression on my own. The problem i have is that based on previous experience with trying various meds i have developed a huge phobia of taking anything that will alter me physiologically. Thus, my question is does anyone have any experience with how to combat or overcome the fear of taking the medication in the first place so i can see if it will benefit me and treat my depression? Thanks for any input. Susan
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 16, 2003, at 21:03:34
In reply to re: second appointment, posted by sandiegogal on July 16, 2003, at 20:17:30
> I have read all the posts from the beginning and am very grateful to have found this site. I have had depression for many years and tried many anti depressants over the years but experienced such irritating side effects that i could never benefit from the therapeutic dose. For about 6 years now i have been "managing" my depression with therapy, exercise, 12 step meetings, and spiritual readings but i know in my heart i cannot manage the depression on my own. The problem i have is that based on previous experience with trying various meds i have developed a huge phobia of taking anything that will alter me physiologically. Thus, my question is does anyone have any experience with how to combat or overcome the fear of taking the medication in the first place so i can see if it will benefit me and treat my depression? Thanks for any input. Susan
Hi Susan, here is a link that may help you. GOOD LUCK!!!!
WAYNE
http://panicdisorder.about.com/features/blmed1.htm
Posted by McPac on July 16, 2003, at 21:36:56
In reply to re: lexapro speed-buzz AND downer-trance » McPac, posted by lil' jimi on July 15, 2003, at 2:00:43
"the strange sensation i had of both the fatigue/sedation and the speedy/stimulation happening at the same time"
>>>>>>>>>Yep, I know what you mean bro!
Take care and thanks for your response dude, much appreciated!!
Posted by BJB on July 17, 2003, at 10:07:41
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by Rich B on July 15, 2003, at 16:39:47
I have just recently changed from 20 mg Paxil to 10 mg Lexapro. I feel sooooo much better and the clammy/sweating/chills have subsided and I can actually get up in the mornings without feeling hungover - which I never drink. I have more energy and feel 100 percent better since changing to Lexapro. Just wanted to let someone know the change differences for me!!! I am so happy now that I feel almost normal.
Posted by reichdon on July 17, 2003, at 10:51:31
In reply to Re: Changing to Lexapro from Paxil, posted by BJB on July 17, 2003, at 10:07:41
This is a questions for Rich B. How long has it been since your switch? I feel a bit of anxiety on LExapro and wondered if you had any of that at first? Thanks!
Posted by Micheke on July 17, 2003, at 11:46:08
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by Rich B on July 15, 2003, at 16:39:47
Rich,
I stopped for just a few days. I didn't know if the dizziness was from the Lexapro or not. It stopped as soon as I started taking the Lexapro again. The dizziness usually kicks in on the 2nd to 3rd day of no meds. I have a bad cold now so I'm not sure what effects are from that or from the Lexapro withdrawal. I do find that my moods seem to be up and down, sometimes pretty quickly. I've been on 5mg for a week now. Tomorrow I will cut down to 0. Will update later. How are you feeling??Wayne, thanks for the site address. It was very interesting. I found a journal of a Paxil withdrawal survivor at http://prisoner-of-paxil.org. It made me thank god that I didn't go on Paxil when my doctor offered it to me.
-Michele
Posted by sandiegogal on July 17, 2003, at 15:55:39
In reply to re: second appointment, posted by BLKVETTES on July 16, 2003, at 21:03:34
Thank you Wayne for that link about panic disorders/anxiety. It has been very helpful. I was prescribed Lexepro but haven't taken it yet because i have anxiety about taking anti-anxiety/depression meds! It's always something! But thanks for the info. Susan
Posted by vandy on July 17, 2003, at 16:04:06
In reply to re: second appointment, posted by sandiegogal on July 16, 2003, at 20:17:30
I don't know if this will help but here goes. Part of my depression was my inability to see myself as a flawed human being. I have been told I'm very intelligent and the tests I've taken in my life seem to confirm that. If I'm so intelligent why couldn't I just snap out of it? Why do I need some chemical? How can I do something which might make me chemically dependent?
Here's how I finally dealt with that. First of all, I don't like myself when I'm depressed. That's not how I see myself. I am less productive, less opportunistic, less able to plan for the future, less capable of thinking of tomorrow, less pleasant company to other people and less pleasant company to myself. So what? How does that justify my consideration of some chemical introduced to my body. Then I learned about the serotonin effect. This is a chemical. But it's a chemical that is found naturally in my body. The SSRI I'm taking allows it to work its magic on me.
But chemically dependent? I think of my best friend Don. Don is diabetic. He takes chemicals. It helps his body process sugar. Without the chemicals he dies. Like me, his body needs help.
Maybe some day I can wean myself from this chemical. For me it's too soon. The light, my friend, just went on for me TODAY! I am a big guy. I stand 6' 4" and weigh over 280 pounds. It took lots of lex (20 mg) a long time to bring me back to me. Thanks and praise be to God and the folk who imported this formula.
Don't deprive yourself and cheat yourself out of a good life. Chemicals run rampant through your entire body. They are a necessity. In our case, sometimes we need just a little help.
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 17, 2003, at 16:17:52
In reply to re: second appointment, posted by vandy on July 17, 2003, at 16:04:06
> I don't know if this will help but here goes. Part of my depression was my inability to see myself as a flawed human being. I have been told I'm very intelligent and the tests I've taken in my life seem to confirm that. If I'm so intelligent why couldn't I just snap out of it? Why do I need some chemical? How can I do something which might make me chemically dependent?
>
> Here's how I finally dealt with that. First of all, I don't like myself when I'm depressed. That's not how I see myself. I am less productive, less opportunistic, less able to plan for the future, less capable of thinking of tomorrow, less pleasant company to other people and less pleasant company to myself. So what? How does that justify my consideration of some chemical introduced to my body. Then I learned about the serotonin effect. This is a chemical. But it's a chemical that is found naturally in my body. The SSRI I'm taking allows it to work its magic on me.
>
> But chemically dependent? I think of my best friend Don. Don is diabetic. He takes chemicals. It helps his body process sugar. Without the chemicals he dies. Like me, his body needs help.
>
> Maybe some day I can wean myself from this chemical. For me it's too soon. The light, my friend, just went on for me TODAY! I am a big guy. I stand 6' 4" and weigh over 280 pounds. It took lots of lex (20 mg) a long time to bring me back to me. Thanks and praise be to God and the folk who imported this formula.
>
> Don't deprive yourself and cheat yourself out of a good life. Chemicals run rampant through your entire body. They are a necessity. In our case, sometimes we need just a little help.
Hi there Vandy, that was a very good post!!!! Glad your feeling good!!!! TAKE CARE!!!
WAYNE
Posted by sandiegogal on July 17, 2003, at 17:35:11
In reply to re: second appointment, posted by BLKVETTES on July 17, 2003, at 16:17:52
Thanks so much for helping me with this stuff and sharing your experience. I hope to walk through this fear of not being able to control my depression/anxiety on my own.
Posted by liesl on July 17, 2003, at 19:44:27
In reply to Re: Rich or Mitch, posted by Donia on July 11, 2003, at 21:42:24
Hello,
I'm currently switching from Lexapro to effexor because I've gained about 20 punds in the last seven months since I started it. I am so tired all the time and I have no motivation to do anything, though the anxiety was almost zero. My doctor has me on 20 mg of Lexapro plus 37.5 mg of Effexor this week which will change to 10/75 next week. Anyone else switching from the Lexapro due to the sleepiness/laziness?Liesl
Posted by oldhand on July 17, 2003, at 23:25:35
In reply to old hand, Re: second appointment, posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 22:08:47
> "that I have been on 20mg of Lex for 5 weeks now and had the second appointment with the pdoc today. I have felt signifigantly better on that dosage"
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So the 20 mg dosage made you feel much better than your previous dose...what was your previous dose and how long did you give that dose a try? How long after you bumped your Lexapro up to 20 mg did the better feelings start? (I ask because I have been on Lexapro for 2 weeks (at 10 mg's) and was thinking about bumping the dose up). Thanks!!!!!!!Hi McPac,
I was on 10mg for around seven months. I moved in the interim and had difficulty finding a new doc. I guess I noticed feeling better around the fourth week of the new dosage.
If you dont't mind a comment: two weeks may not be long enough to feel any effects from the Lexapro. I believe most of us here waited four or more weeks and even longer before we noticed any therapeutic effect. I know there are others who have almost become discouraged at their original dose, only for it to kick in later on.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Peace for all our souls,
Posted by Kayla on July 18, 2003, at 13:12:50
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
I have been on celexa, and i am currently on lexapro. I find that they both cause tiredness, but lexapro has no sexual side effects.
Posted by arrianna on July 18, 2003, at 15:11:48
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Kayla on July 18, 2003, at 13:12:56
Hi. I am a recent user of Lexapro. I've only been taking it for almost two weeks. This is my first time on an anti-depressant and it was prescribed for me for anxiety.
The first couple of days on Lexapro was great. It seemed my anxiety instantly improved. Although my anxiety still is showing an improvement, I am concerned about the side effects.
Though I've had my bouts with depression in the past, I was not depressed before starting Lexapro. Yet after being on it for only a short time, I've been experiencing a depressed mood as well as tiredness and loss of libido.
I understand that nausea and loss of sexual desire are both common side effects. However, I have not heard that a depressed mood is. I was just wondering if this is normal.
I am also curious to whether others with more experience can tell me if the side effects (tiredness, etc.) get better after time? Do they go away?
I'd really like to continue lexapro because it has improved my anxiety, yet I am thinking it may be best to quit taking it if these side effects continue to persist. If so, it doesn't seem to me that the benefits outweigh the risks.
Any hope or knowledge about this would be greatly appreciated. -Thank You!
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 18, 2003, at 15:55:10
In reply to new user of Lexapro, posted by arrianna on July 18, 2003, at 15:11:48
> Hi. I am a recent user of Lexapro. I've only been taking it for almost two weeks. This is my first time on an anti-depressant and it was prescribed for me for anxiety.
>
> The first couple of days on Lexapro was great. It seemed my anxiety instantly improved. Although my anxiety still is showing an improvement, I am concerned about the side effects.
>
> Though I've had my bouts with depression in the past, I was not depressed before starting Lexapro. Yet after being on it for only a short time, I've been experiencing a depressed mood as well as tiredness and loss of libido.
>
> I understand that nausea and loss of sexual desire are both common side effects. However, I have not heard that a depressed mood is. I was just wondering if this is normal.
>
> I am also curious to whether others with more experience can tell me if the side effects (tiredness, etc.) get better after time? Do they go away?
>
> I'd really like to continue lexapro because it has improved my anxiety, yet I am thinking it may be best to quit taking it if these side effects continue to persist. If so, it doesn't seem to me that the benefits outweigh the risks.
>
> Any hope or knowledge about this would be greatly appreciated. -Thank You!
Hi there, being tired and sexual dysfunction are common side effects. They in a lot of us go away in time. 2 weeks is not very long and it takes a good 4 to 8 weeks to adjust to the med. What is your dose? Im guessing 10mg, sometimes a dosage change is all that is needed. But that should not come until after 4 weeks and thats my opinion. You could go down a tad in dose and see if that helps the depression part. I against my doctors orders started playing with the dose. I have settled in at about 7mg and have stayed there for quite awhile. Months ago I was suicidal, suffered panic attacks and bad anxiety and was housebound.I am now free of all that hell.Some need more than 10mg and some need less. Just a thought before you give up on the lexapro. But I guess only you can decide if its all worth it. GOOD LUCK!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by McPac on July 18, 2003, at 15:58:14
In reply to Re: old hand, Re: second appointment » McPac, posted by oldhand on July 17, 2003, at 23:25:35
Posted by Sesika on July 18, 2003, at 17:02:37
In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Kayla on July 18, 2003, at 13:12:56
Posted by tm on July 18, 2003, at 20:36:34
In reply to new user of Lexapro, posted by arrianna on July 18, 2003, at 15:11:48
> Hi. I am a recent user of Lexapro. I've only been taking it for almost two weeks. This is my first time on an anti-depressant and it was prescribed for me for anxiety.
>
> The first couple of days on Lexapro was great. It seemed my anxiety instantly improved. Although my anxiety still is showing an improvement, I am concerned about the side effects.
>
> Though I've had my bouts with depression in the past, I was not depressed before starting Lexapro. Yet after being on it for only a short time, I've been experiencing a depressed mood as well as tiredness and loss of libido.
>
> I understand that nausea and loss of sexual desire are both common side effects. However, I have not heard that a depressed mood is. I was just wondering if this is normal.
>
> I am also curious to whether others with more experience can tell me if the side effects (tiredness, etc.) get better after time? Do they go away?
>
> I'd really like to continue lexapro because it has improved my anxiety, yet I am thinking it may be best to quit taking it if these side effects continue to persist. If so, it doesn't seem to me that the benefits outweigh the risks.
>
> Any hope or knowledge about this would be greatly appreciated. -Thank You!I agree with Wayne. I take it for anxiety and after being on it a few weeks my pdoc says it sounds now like you are suffering with some depression, and he was right. My loss of labedo came back as well. Like Wayne said give it a little more time. I take 20mg of Lex and .5 of Xanax a day. The Xanax is immediate help for aniety.
Good Luck Tim
Posted by tm on July 18, 2003, at 20:46:35
In reply to Re: Changing to Lexapro from Paxil, posted by BJB on July 17, 2003, at 10:07:41
I take my 20mg of Lex and .5mg of Xanax for anxiety and started this the last week in April. My question is do any of you ever have the feelings of anxiety come back and does it go away? I have been free of anxiety for 6 weeks. I am not suffering like I was when I first started and I would like to think this will go away. I am able to handle it, but it would be nice to know it will go away. It does go away now when I am distracted and not thinking about it.
Thanks Tim
Posted by Rich B on July 18, 2003, at 20:53:23
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by Micheke on July 17, 2003, at 11:46:08
Michele,
On Wednesday, I had to go back to taking it because I could not stand the dizziness anymore. I took 5 mg (half of what I had) that afternoon, then 5 mg again yesterday morning. This morning (Fri) I took a quarter of a pill (which is pretty darn small) and I still feel fine. I will do that for a few more days and if am still fine then, I'll will try stopping.I started getting dizzy the same day I stopped taking it. I was off it for 5 full days and took it after work on day 6. The dizziness went away about an hour and a half to two ours after I took that 5 mg. I am suprized that a quarter of a pill is making a difference. A quarter of a pill is really really small. But then again, today was only my first day on a quarter of a pill. Maybe tomorrow it will catch up to me. I hope I am totally off it with no dizziness by next Saturday because I am going on vacation then. Wish me luck.
Rich
Posted by Capri on July 18, 2003, at 22:29:41
In reply to Re: new user of Lexapro, posted by BLKVETTES on July 18, 2003, at 15:55:10
Hi,
I took Effexor 37.5 for 6 weeks. Started feeling depressed on it after 6 weeks. The doc increased it to 75 mg and I was worse. I was told to stop taking it. Lexapro may not be for you. Let your doc know your concerns.
I wondered too how anyone could get depressed on an "anti-depressant"...go figure...I did.
Good luck and listen to what your body tells you.
Capri
Posted by Doug in PA on July 18, 2003, at 22:56:26
In reply to Re: new user of Lexapro » BLKVETTES, posted by Capri on July 18, 2003, at 22:29:41
I think that sometimes, what is going on in your life and in your head is just too much for some meds to work without putting you in la la land.
I definately feel worse on Lex.
Hang in there.
Doug in PA> Hi,
>
> I took Effexor 37.5 for 6 weeks. Started feeling depressed on it after 6 weeks. The doc increased it to 75 mg and I was worse. I was told to stop taking it. Lexapro may not be for you. Let your doc know your concerns.
>
> I wondered too how anyone could get depressed on an "anti-depressant"...go figure...I did.
>
> Good luck and listen to what your body tells you.
>
> Capri
>
Posted by HushDarling on July 19, 2003, at 0:33:13
In reply to depakote before Lexapro, posted by joebob on July 9, 2003, at 23:40:15
I have been taking Depakote (500 mg) for over three years now and I have had no problems with this drug. I will have to go off it if I decide I want to become pregnant otherwise it has been treating me fine. NOW...today I was told to go completely off Prozac and was put on 10 mg. of Lexapro. I will start tomorrow. So far everything I have read sounds a bit positive but I am worried about the side effects. Like, exactly what are some of the side effects you are having?
Melissa
> i was told to try a 2 week predose of depakote prior to starting lexapro...........
> and then read all this horrible stuff about the depakote..........
> will neurontin do the same thing, i.e. prepare the brain for the ssri rush..........?
> i had a mild manic break on the 3rd day of trying lexapro at a very low dose...........
> any advice or experience
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